Let it crash

So the fact that Dodd and Frank are on record at the time as saying these entities were fine and dandy doesn't matter, is that right, and the Democrats are never responsible for anything at all. The Dems had no influence at all over this legislation and never opposed it, right Parados?

It is always the evil Bush people and the Republicans, and evil greedy loan companies that simply wanted to go broke. I get it, Parados. Have it your way.

Yes, HUD, Fannie Mae and Freddie, and the congressional oversight were running things great, I am sure the people that ran Fannie Mae, cooking the books, and the legislation mandating political correctness and subprime loans and all of that are only a figment of everybody's imagination. I apologize, Parados for being so worried about what happened.

Funny how Enron was raked over the coals and people ended up in prison? How come something like that isn't happening here?

What do you know, Parados, I found a Democrat that has admitted they were wrong. Watch the video. Confessions heal the soul, Parados, try it.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

Click on the "We were wrong video."

When the GOP didn't even get the legislation out of committee you can't accuse the Dems of filibustering it. That is utter nonsense. You can't filibuster a bill that isn't in front of the entire Senate.

But their biggest mistake was a lack of specificity. They never clearly told the American people what might happen if Congress did not act. "If you want people to support an action," says Dennis Mileti, an expert on risk communications who has studied hundreds of disasters of the more conventional kind at the University of Colorado, Boulder, "you need to link the action to cutting people's losses. And that link isn't in place."

Here is what Administration and congressional leaders must do if they want to convince the public to get behind the next iteration of the plan - assuming, of course, that they come up with a plan worth backing:

Find a Face Human beings are not moved by numbers or vague predictions of certain doom. They are moved by stories. "It's simple," says Mileti. "You get one family in America. You go to their house. And you paint a picture of what their life is like one year from now. You describe a kid who can't go to college, the house that can't be sold, the inability of anyone to use a credit card. They need to get a camera crew and go to Omaha and find a family."

Rebrand the Bill The word bailout is a deal killer. "People feel the breaks are being given to financial institutions and not to the consumer," says Slovic. He recommends calling it a Consumer Protection Act. It may be too late for this change to have much impact, but any change in language that acknowledges real people would be an improvement.

Shoot the Messenger If you want people to support the radical idea of rescuing rich investment bankers, don't send a rich, former investment banker (Henry Paulson) to convince them. And don't send a discredited, lame-duck President, either. As in normal life, people are more likely to believe the advice of someone they trust. There aren't many well-known experts in this field who aren't rich, but even Warren Buffet would have brought less baggage to the process than Bush.

Be Specific People need to know what will happen if they do nothing - or if they do something.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20081001/us_time/whyarentamericansbuyingthebailout

parados wrote:

When the GOP didn't even get the legislation out of committee you can't accuse the Dems of filibustering it. That is utter nonsense. You can't filibuster a bill that isn't in front of the entire Senate.

You can threaten filibuster and put a chill on any progress, parados.

That is what I have been reading, and there is plenty of evidence the Democrats were grandstanding and accusing Republicans of trying to fix something that did not need fixing, and trying to hijack the oversight away from their pet bureaucracies.

Hints of racism was being injected into the debate I think, and nothing can throw cold water on anything like screams of racism. Pathetic, but that is what is routinely done in Washington. Interesting, ACORN was involved in this issue, and Obama was involved with ACORN. My curiosity is greatly interested in more details about this likely game of scamming as well. Community organizer, yes, probably community scam artist. Just a suspicion, Parados.

Given the mix of bills moving forward, the chill placed on this reform just stalled it out, regardless if it came to a vote or not, or whether it stalled in committee. Republicans should have done more, but cripes look at who was screaming the loudest and in total denial in regard to the issue. It was Democrats, and there are enough videos and evidence to prove it.

If a bill seems doomed to failure, I would guess it is likely it just loses any momentum to move forward, whether it is still in committee or if it eventually comes to a vote. Even when the Republicans were in majority, there were not enough conservative ones to have the numbers on alot of stuff.

I am an average citizen in fly over country trying to decipher all of this with common sense. Even if I sit here and spend 8 hours per day researching this, how am I going to find out exactly what happened years ago.

All I can do is read and absorb what is out there, and make judgements about it. What went on inside those committees and subcommittees, that is tough to know, exactly what was said,

but what we do have are plenty of information including video that Democrats were staunchly opposing it.

Just how it was killed, perhaps McCain can shed some light on some of that in upcoming debates, speeches, and ads. It is going to a be a war of words, and it is up to us to separate fact from fiction. And I am sure that you, Parados, will continue to obfuscate any blame away from your Democrats. Makes me wonder if you are part of the mess back there?