When the GOP didn't even get the legislation out of committee you can't accuse the Dems of filibustering it. That is utter nonsense. You can't filibuster a bill that isn't in front of the entire Senate.
You can threaten filibuster and put a chill on any progress, parados.
Sure, you can but I have seen nothing that says they did that.
That is what I have been reading, and there is plenty of evidence the Democrats were grandstanding and accusing Republicans of trying to fix something that did not need fixing, and trying to hijack the oversight away from their pet bureaucracies.
Oh.. so then you can provide that plenty of evidence from the time period in the Senate? I await your evidence from that time period other than stories written in the last month. Surely there must be some record of Dodd threatening a filibuster if the GOP was at all serious at that time. I find it hard to believe that the GOP was the majority at the time and hell bent on passage but never held a single news conference on the bill being blocked in the Senate. When you can provide that evidence then you can say you have Some evidence. You certainly don't have plenty.
Hints of racism was being injected into the debate I think, and nothing can throw cold water on anything like screams of racism. Pathetic, but that is what is routinely done in Washington. Interesting, ACORN was involved in this issue, and Obama was involved with ACORN. My curiosity is greatly interested in more details about this likely game of scamming as well. Community organizer, yes, probably community scam artist. Just a suspicion, Parados.
Suspicions without plenty of evidence. That is all you have presented.
Given the mix of bills moving forward, the chill placed on this reform just stalled it out, regardless if it came to a vote or not, or whether it stalled in committee. Republicans should have done more, but cripes look at who was screaming the loudest and in total denial in regard to the issue. It was Democrats, and there are enough videos and evidence to prove it.
The bill PASSED in the house which is where all the evidence you have is from. Evidence of screaming where the bill passed isn't evidence that the Dems blocked it since we know the bill was passed there.
If a bill seems doomed to failure, I would guess it is likely it just loses any momentum to move forward, whether it is still in committee or if it eventually comes to a vote. Even when the Republicans were in majority, there were not enough conservative ones to have the numbers on alot of stuff.
Oh.. but it was the Dems fault alone even though the GOP was in the majority? Do you bother to listen to your arguments?
I am an average citizen in fly over country trying to decipher all of this with common sense. Even if I sit here and spend 8 hours per day researching this, how am I going to find out exactly what happened years ago.
I see, so rather than research what exactly happened you feel "common sense" says you can just make stuff up without evidence. I consider that stupidity and not common sense.
All I can do is read and absorb what is out there, and make judgements about it. What went on inside those committees and subcommittees, that is tough to know, exactly what was said,
Actually it isn't tough to know, there is a thing called the Congressional Record that can tell you what went on in the committees. It just doesn't keep a record of every word spoken.
but what we do have are plenty of information including video that Democrats were staunchly opposing it.
Of House members where the bill passed.
Just how it was killed, perhaps McCain can shed some light on some of that in upcoming debates, speeches, and ads. It is going to a be a war of words, and it is up to us to separate fact from fiction. And I am sure that you, Parados, will continue to obfuscate any blame away from your Democrats. Makes me wonder if you are part of the mess back there?
If you want to separate fact from fiction then stop promoting things as true when you have no evidence. One thing for certain, you are part of the mess today when you use partisanship to promote the other side did it. There is no evidence that the Dems killed the bill in the Senate. You can't use speeches from the House to say the Senate did anything. That is just outright silliness.
Things we know for certain.
1. The bill was passed in the House.
2. The GOP was the majority in the Senate at the time
3. The Bill was sent to a GOP controlled committee and died there.
Anything above and beyond that is speculation on your part.