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Ladies' and gentlemen's toiletes ... 'stepping out of line'

 
 
Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 06:08 am
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From today's Chicago Tribune

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Commentary

In defense of stepping out of line

Garrison Keillor
January 9, 2008

I went to see "Sweeney Todd" last week and the high point was after the movie when I headed for the men's room, passing a long line of women waiting to get into the women's, and when I got inside the men's, a tall woman in a long black coat emerged from a stall and walked out.

She didn't run or skulk or sneak, she simply walked purposefully out of the men's toilet, having done what she needed to do, and didn't linger to hold a press conference or wash her hands. A couple of men glanced back from the urinals and noticed her and were very cool about it. "Was that a woman?" one of them asked. "Yes, she was," I said.

As for the movie, oh well. But an American woman who steps out of line in a simple urgent revolt against stupid toilet inequality -- that is worth the price of admission.

Men's and women's toilets are roughly of equal size, which is a false equality: What matters is the time spent waiting. Men require three square feet and 15 seconds to pee, and women need 15 square feet and have more to unhitch and pantyhose to deal with and then they need to hang out and talk about feelings. So the line extends down the hall and around to the popcorn stand. Why is this allowed to exist? Because architecture loves symmetry, I suppose, and so it's up to women to step out of line.

Did I forget to say that this was in New York? It was in New York, on the Upper West Side, the National Liberal Refuge & Historical District -- and now you're asking, "How do you know she wasn't a transvestite?" Because she had small feet, that's why.

Anyway, I came down the hallway crowded with about 57 openly disgruntled New York women, seething, muttering, glaring at the men sweeping past them, and I strolled into our clubroom as the interloper loped past me on her way out, and the coolness of the male patrons was interesting.

At Benson School in 1952, a girl in the boys toilet would've been an international incident, but in New York, men smiled, went about their business, zipped up, washed their hands, and went off to dinner as if nothing had happened.

The country wants change. Here's how it happens. People talk it to death for decades and then somebody crosses the line and suddenly the line doesn't exist anymore. Men would not accept women in management and then, lo and behold -- Women in Management! Accepted. (THUMP.) The country is not going to elect a black man president until one day it does and we all wake up the next morning and go to work and that's that.

OK, so it wasn't the Mutiny on the Bounty, but if women breech the door marked MEN and enter the last male preserve, what then? The men's toilet today is a sort of church, a place to drop your public face and be a mammal for a moment, and women will change that. You will stand at the trough in this most private of moments and a ladylike hand claps you on the shoulder and says, "Move over, bud." And she stands next to you. You do not look down. You dare not look. Your eyes are glued to the wall ahead.

"I remember you, you jerk," she says. "We hung out at Cross Lake that summer. We were an item. Then I never heard from you again. I cried my eyes out over you. Nobody ever treated me that way before. I'm still not over it."

"No, no, no, it ain't me, babe," you're thinking, but it was you babe. You can run but you can't hide. The sign says MEN but so what? Call the cops, tell it to the judge, start a movement (Americans For Dignity), open a Web site, talk until you're blue in the face -- what I saw is the future, babe. Unless ...

Architects, back to the drawing boards. Make the women's 40 stalls, make the men's 20 urinals and two stalls. Whatever they want. Mirrors, the works.

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Garrison Keillor is a radio host and author. E-mail: oldscout @prairehome.us
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George
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 10:23 am
I'm for anything that lessens the time I spend waiting for the lady to return.
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caribou
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:21 pm
I've never been brave enough to use a men's room with men in it.

But, in a smaller place with a toilet a piece for men and women, I will definitely jump into an empty men's room.

The last place I did this, I was amused to see a woman in line for the women's room when I came out of the men's room, she did not go into the empty men's room. Wimp.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 03:29 pm
I've been in the woman's toilet today because the man's toilet was occupied - and both look the same ... at my physiotherapist's.
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hamburger
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 04:01 pm
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Men's and women's toilets are roughly of equal size, which is a false equality: What matters is the time spent waiting. Men require three square feet and 15 seconds to pee, and women need 15 square feet and have more to unhitch and pantyhose to deal with and then they need to hang out and talk about feelings.


when we stopped over in marocco a few years ago , we stopped somewhere near an old castle for a brief rest .
some older maroccan ladies with their grandchildren were standing and sitting around on the scrub-lawn chatting with each other .
every now and then one of them would step aside a few feet and relieve herself . nobody paid any attention to it - it was all done within probably 20 seconds . some didn't even stop talking with each other .

here were we westerners hopping from from leg on to the other hoping to find a washroom before too long ! Shocked

i think those maroccan ladies had a better custom (and costumes) and a far easier system than we did !
certainly did not see any long line-ups !
hbg
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 06:45 pm
I remember being at an Elton John/Billy Joel concert in our local football stadium where there weren't enough facilities for women and since the
audience was roughly 50/50, women stormed the men's toilets by the dozen.

Later on the city was involved in a lawsuit initiated by a male concert
goer, who claimed to be utterly humiliated by having had to use the men's facilities while women were present.

He did lose the lawsuit, but new restrooms for women were installed in
the aftermath.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:02 pm
I might remember that bit of news, CJane.

I've designed a bathroom or two, usually in small community rec centers, never all that large. It is an interesting architectural problem when the numbers of people add up, and the line for women's may be both more popular (not sure) and slower (for sure).

As Hamburger alludes to, there are all sorts of possible solutions, including (just off the top of my head) some areas sans the stall frame for speedy and non-privacy minded women. Mostly I see progress in terms of more stalls, but am open to thinking about other means.

I'm cool with mixed use individual bathrooms, and have at least once gone in a single mens room, but won't be the canary that goes into a larger more used mens room alone. Thinks, would I go into a large mens room at a concert with twelve other women?
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:22 pm
I've used men's rooms when the women's room had a long line. Perhaps Garrison is right, and it's a NYC thing, as that was where I mostly did it. Unlike the woman in the article, I did wash my hands and on more than one occasion tweaked my hair and make-up. I did not glance at those using the urinals, so I have no idea if they blushed or not . I don't know if they glanced at my feet to see if I was an authentic female.

I've certainly seen transvestites in NYC use the women's room and I don't know of any woman who cared about that. There used to be a club on the lower east side that I think was called Diamond Lil's. It had three little wash rooms marked: "Boys", "Girls" and "Whatever".
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 07:59 pm
CalamityJane wrote:
I remember being at an Elton John/Billy Joel concert in our local football stadium where there weren't enough facilities for women and since the
audience was roughly 50/50, women stormed the men's toilets by the dozen.

Later on the city was involved in a lawsuit initiated by a male concert
goer, who claimed to be utterly humiliated by having had to use the men's facilities while women were present.

He did lose the lawsuit, but new restrooms for women were installed in
the aftermath.


If that had been the Molly Hatchet/Kansas concert in Boston, I would have been one of those women Cool

The guys didn't seem to mind and I even washed my hands :-D
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CalamityJane
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:05 pm
They obviously were pleased to see you, Montana. Very Happy


I don't care if it's the men's or women's toilets, if it's urgent. Heck, I have
watered many fields across America when there was just no public
place to go.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:08 pm
Us farmers with binoculars REALLY appreciate that, CJ.

RH
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mismi
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:15 pm
I am not quite there...I have gone in a man's restroom that was a single - but I could lock the door. I don't think I could go into a man's restroom with men using the urinals... I know - I am not very liberated am I? Razz

The only place I ever have a problem with really long lines is at sporting events or concerts in arena type venues....
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:19 pm
Jane, yeah, when you gotta go, drastic measures are sometimes in order Laughing

Rockhead, I always felt I was being watch during my many pit stops in the woods, where I've met many of friendly trees ;-)

Mismi, I was young and I think the chemicals and alcohol may have helped me find the courage Laughing
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:21 pm
Not to say that all young people drink alcohol and do drugs. I just grew up in the 70s Cool
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:23 pm
Back when I was still trying to keep up my lab tech license when I'd switched to another profession which was subject to difficulties during recession periods, I went to continuing education events required re the license. They'd let us out at some point for a break, and, yep, 50 women in line and that was before the bathroom door. Ridiculous.
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:51 pm
No doubt! The only thing I ever dreaded about going to concerts is the endless lines.

It's torture when you really gotta go!
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 08:54 pm
Not if you can pee in a sink....(or dark corner with a bush) :wink:
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 09:03 pm
Funny you said that Rockhead because the night of that concert, some guy told me that a woman was peeing in the sink the last time he was in there Laughing
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 09:06 pm
That would make for long lines at the men's room....

kinda defeats the purpose, I think...
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Montana
 
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Reply Wed 9 Jan, 2008 09:13 pm
I know I would have never been so bold Shocked
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