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The Irish Invented Slang. So There.

 
 
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Noddy24
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:27 am
From "World Wide Words":

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IT'S ALL IRISH Many people pointed me to an item in the New York
Times (http://wwwords.org?CASS) this week, in which Daniel Cassidy
contends that many of the most common slang terms used in American
English actually have an Irish origin; for example he claims that
"buddy" has its origin in "bodach", Irish for a lusty youth; that
"Say uncle!" derives from "anacal", mercy; that "dude" originates
in "dĂșid", a dolt or foolish-looking fellow, and that "bunkum" is
from "buanchumadh", a long made-up story. Many of us have doubts.
My piece below about "dude" - and an earlier one about "Say uncle"
(http://wwwords.org?UNCL) - show that I disagree with him about the
origins of at least two of the words he lists that I've been able
to research in detail. Also, "bunkum" is firmly linked historically
to Buncombe County, North Carolina, through its being mentioned in
a long and inconsequential speech in Congress by its congressman
solely to please his constituents. Mr Cassidy's 68-page book, How
the Irish Invented Slang, last month won an American Book Award for
non-fiction from the Before Columbus Foundation, so he is clearly
taken seriously in some quarters. But Grant Barrett, lexicographer,
project editor of Oxford's Historical Dictionary of American Slang
and vice-president of the American Dialect Society, makes clear in
a blog entry this week (http://wwwords.org?DBLT) that he disagrees
fundamentally with Mr Cassidy's ideas.

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:37 am
Sure and the Irish invented everything . . . we're a very modest race, however, so we don't rub the noses of others in our excellence . . .
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 06:22 pm
So, this man from Oxford, a well known source of bigotry against the gentle Irish people, casts what aspersions he can upon the work of a working man. This should come as no surprise to those who have witnessed years of British scorn.

The question is: why does he even bother?

Joe(afraid someone might be enlightened a little?)Nation
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 06:31 pm
Why wouldn't 'glom' have come from the same latin roots as agglomeration and conglomeration?

Just sayin...
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 07:48 pm
How right you are.
Very

Joe(but isn't the notion fun to think about?)Nation
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 07:54 pm
named after Glomerulus nephrus, the Roman God of urine.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:03 pm
farmerman wrote:
named after Glomerulus nephrus, the Roman God of urine.



That might be the single best post I've seen in a dog's age.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:06 pm
ossobuco wrote:
farmerman wrote:
named after Glomerulus nephrus, the Roman God of urine.



That might be the single best post I've seen in a dog's age.


I'm disturbed that FM has used the word 'urine' in two separate forums within minutes of each other.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:07 pm
Or am I just taking the piss?
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:08 pm
or perhaps in the gloaming...
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:23 pm
Now, some of you are hoping the there will be some gloming in the gloaming.

Joe(watch out. I'm in the weeds)Nation
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:30 pm
Hey I did use urine in 2 separate posts . That pisses me off because Im usually more careful about my forensics. I dont usually leave witnesses.




((knock , knock)))


hinge-head, "wh-wh-who's there"?


Fman, pizza gram
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:37 pm
Pizza gram who?
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farmerman
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:38 pm
Open the F**kin door an Ill tell you.
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hingehead
 
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Reply Sat 10 Nov, 2007 08:47 pm
[cree-ee-ee-ee-ee-ee-eak]
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ellen mcintyre
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 03:29 pm
How the Irish Invented Slang
Hello, my first post. I have read Daniel Cassidy's How the Irish Invented Slang and found it to be an incredibly interesting read! It has essays and a dictionary that lay out his thesis that the irish language (like the languages of every other major immigrant group to N. America) did have an influence on American vernacular and popular speech. HL Mencken in the 1930s stated that the Irish gave American speech almost no words, unlike Italians, Spanish, Latinos, French, Yiddish-speakers, Germans, African-Americans, etc. He found it puzzling. I believe Cassidy solves the puzzle. Also I read somewhere on this site that the book has only 63 pages. Is that an earlier pamphlet perhaps? My book has more than 300 pages, with introduction, essays, a dictionary, and is fully cited. If there is an earlier booklet I would like to see it. I study the Irish language in college. I heartily recommend Cassdy's book. It is funny and eye-opening at the same time. Refreshingly he doersn't take himself too seriously like many self-styled language scholars. Tt's a doozer (duasoir, prizewinner) of a leabhar (book). Sla/n, Ellen
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 04:22 pm
It's on my Christmas list.

Joe(Welcome to A2K, ellen)Nation
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 04:26 pm
Another welcome to ellen - I'm Jo Ellen...

okay, I know I look like a dog.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 23 Nov, 2007 04:35 pm
Dys and I, and I think Diane was there, were talking about spatchcocked turkeys yesterday. (I've gone on and on about doing the turkey that way this year on another thread.) Dys said his grandmother did the turkey that way and called it 'splayed' - butterflied, as it were - and opined that splayed is probably an irish derived word. I dunno...
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