Manhattan apartment hunting: How do I avoid getting scammed?

Not today.

At least not when I remembered what you said you would do to Condy Rice is you ever got her alone in a bathroom for 10 minutes.

Shocked

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5 minutes.

And we wouldn't be playing footsie underneath the stall either. Smile

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eoe offers condy a chair.

http://www.themissy.com/beauty/show-folding-chair.jpg

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Foofie wrote:

I give information. Why would anyone want to know how I know? What could the possible answers be!

The answer is, I'm too private a person to tell. The information is all my opinion; accept my opinion, or don't; your choice.

Yes, you're entitled to your opinion. But when you make demeaning or strange remarks about an entire population to a large group of people, I think that some of those people are reasonable in wanting to know how you formed those opinions. What is their basis?

For example, you say, "I would guess many Manhattanites need a dog to feel they are not coming home to an empty apartment." Why do you assume that people in Manhattan have reasons that are different from the rest of the dog-owning population for having a dog? I know a number of people in Manhattan who own dogs. Some are married with children. Some are married. Some are single. I wouldn't presume to know why those people have dogs (except for my cousin and his wife. They have a dog because they love dogs. My cousin has never been without a dog.) I have to assume that the ones who are married or are married with kids don't really have an issue about coming home to an empty apartment.

My opinions? Sure. And a bit of info as to how I formed them.

Again, apologies to kicky. Could we be more off-topic? Hey, at least we're talking about Manhattan. Sorry, kid.

Any luck with the hunting? BTW, I'm keeping my eyes and ears open for you. There was an apartment available in my building. One bedroom. By the time I found out is was probably more than you wanted to pay, it was rented.

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Now that would have been a hoot! You and kicky in the same building.
My apologies as well, Mr. K. Sorry to have sidetracked your thread.

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Chai wrote:

that is one totally bullshit answer foofie.

don't ask me how I know that. I just know.

accept my opinion or suffer the consequences.

you do not want to suffer the wrath of chai.

how do I know you don't?

I just know.

I didn't say "suffer the consequences," I said:

The answer is, I'm too private a person to tell. The information is all my opinion; accept my opinion, or don't; your choice.

My answer reflects that I was giving my opinion, to possibly be helpful, to someone specific (who made the original post). Since this is an open forum, anyone can read my response. But, I wasn't responding to everyone, so I need not answer anyone's curiosity about me or my response.

If you are taking umbrage with my preference for privacy, I'll ask you politely to not mind my business.

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No need for anyone to apologize to me. I love conflict. Carry on.

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kickycan wrote:

No need for anyone to apologize to me. I love conflict. Carry on.

....he says as he goes off to find a pit with some jello or mud or whipped cream for these women to wrestle in.

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Roberta wrote:

Yes, you're entitled to your opinion. But when you make demeaning or strange remarks about an entire population to a large group of people, I think that some of those people are reasonable in wanting to know how you formed those opinions. What is their basis?

What I originally wrote had "qualifiers" for every one of my opinions:
"many" or "some."

That means, I am not referencing an "entire population." Nor, is what I said, in the way of an opinion, demeaning, or strange, since my "qualifier" meant that not all people need a dog to ameliorate the feeling of coming home to an empty apartment. Only some people.

But, if I wanted to make a comment about Manhattanites, that shouldn't be a problem, since nothing racial, or prejudiced was said. I only allude to certain characteristics of some people. I am making no inferences.

But many people have opinions about different geographic groups:
Northeners about Southerners. Southerners about Northerners. Country folk about city folk. City folk about country folk.

And I have some opinions about some Manhattanites that now inhabit that island. (Actually I have an opinion about every neighborhood in Manhattan and every population group in Manhattan; plus the entire Tri-State area. I'm full of opinions. I'll never tell most of them. They are too interesting to share with strangers!)

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First link to People are Strange...

http://www.guntheranderson.com/v/data/peoplea0.htm

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Hey, I lived in NYC when I was eight, and a fine time it was, to be eight, and there. Took me a long time to visit again, for varied reasons, but I still have a little Manhattan in my blood.

I couldn't begin to generalize about Manhattan seriously. Sure, there's a portion of the population that is on parade (see The Sartorialist, which relates at least somewhat to the fashion industry, but also photos street folk.) Which doesn't matter - that I can't generalize - as the city is in flux.
The verve of the place, to me, is the flux.

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ossobuco wrote:

Hey, I lived in NYC when I was nine, and a fine time it was, to be nine, and there. Took me a long time to visit again, for varied reasons, but I still have a little Manhattan in my blood.

I couldn't begin to generalize about Manhattan seriously. Sure, there's a portion of the population that is on parade (see The Sartorialist, which relates at least somewhat to the fashion industry, but also photos street folk.) Which doesn't matter - that I can't generalize - as the city is in flux.
The verve of the place, to me, is the flux.

O.K., but without sounding racist, I know that New York City once had a quite different demographic. For example, one-third of New York City was either Irish or Irish-American (circa 1950). And, they lived in the five boroughs. A very different city.

They were, in my opinion, too upwardly mobile to stay. But, if you have ever watched the old black and white movies from the 1940's, you'll know what I mean. I believe there was more glamor, more verve then.

Today the Upper East Siders, Upper West Siders, those living around Columbia, often tend to look like Manhattan is their piece of Nirvana. I believe that's because they are mostly transplants, and don't remember a better city (as far as the "quality of life.")

Today's verve, in my opinion, is many young people shopping in SoHo, clubbing here and there, or tourists visiting Ground Zero, Wall Street, Times Square, Herald Square, museums, etc.

In my own worthless opinion, NYC is not, nor can ever be, what it once was. Also, the condo's/co-ops are now a fair percentage of wealthy foreigners. Are there any rentals that are not high priced, compared to the 1980's? (Seinfeld wouldn't be believable today with he and his friends affording a rental in the west 80's.) I won't mention "the projects," since that broaches a subject outside this thread. Signs in the subway can be in any number of languages.

I'll give one personal fact. My family arrived in Manhattan in 1882. My father was born there and died there. He had the best years of Manhattan. Do you wonder why I think "the city" has changed?

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Foofie wrote:

I'll give one personal fact. My family arrived in Manhattan in 1882. My father was born there and died there. He had the best years of Manhattan. Do you wonder why I think "the city" has changed?

Now, was that so hard???

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So I turned eight at the tail end of '49. I've read about NY since and get that even extensive reading isn't the same as just breathing there. I finally got back there in, what, 2003. Frabjous. I walked a lot that week.

I gather a grandfather was established in NYC at some point, though as I learn more I begin to distrust him, he's probably like me and my father, an irish scalywag, but taught in Nebraska and was an attorney in Idaho, can we say silver? His father over in the famine years, and so on.

From my perspective, as someone who reads about planning and urban problems and glories up the kazoo, I'm glad to ever visit NYC.

I'm connected re fairly recent history (but before Mike Davis, to Los Angeles; so, foofie, I can kind of get your sense of the land and occupants changing.)

You seem married to the microcosm, though.

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So I guess Foofie is only nostalgic for a simpler time, and maybe a little bit resentful and bitter about how things have changed.

Issue settled.

Or is it?

I'll leave this giant tub of jello here, just in case.

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Part of me likes Foofie, a facile speaker in any case - which I've some empathy for the despond thereof - but a lot of us react to you, foof, re an ease of clumping the world into categories.

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I'm getting it. Foofie is a toy poodle, and our poster is from an Astor type family.

I could/can understand all that, part of the mix, see the point of view, if it was spoken straightforwardly.

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kickycan wrote:

So I guess Foofie is only nostalgic for a simpler time, and maybe a little bit resentful and bitter about how things have changed.

Issue settled.

Or is it?

I'll leave this giant tub of jello here, just in case.

Jello was the sponsor of either the Jack Benny Show, or The George Burns and Gracie Allen Show? The other show, whichever it was, had Carnation as the sponsor. Groucho Marx had Desoto as the sponsor, I believe. Dinah Shore, naturally had Chevrolet.

You primed my memory with the word "jello."

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ossobuco wrote:

Part of me likes Foofie, a facile speaker in any case - which I've some empathy for the despond thereof - but a lot of us react to you, foof, re an ease of clumping the world into categories.

Sociology is a science. I clump (statistically), therefore I learn.

The mistake of not categorizing is, for example, when some people (around the world) might think Caucasian U.S. Americans are just knock-offs of Europeans, since the ancestors of many Americans came from Europe. No, U.S. Americans are quite different, aside from white sneakers and fewer smokers.

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Foofie wrote:

Chai wrote:
that is one totally bullshit answer foofie.

don't ask me how I know that. I just know.

accept my opinion or suffer the consequences.

you do not want to suffer the wrath of chai.

how do I know you don't?

I just know.

I didn't say "suffer the consequences," I said:

The answer is, I'm too private a person to tell. The information is all my opinion; accept my opinion, or don't; your choice.

My answer reflects that I was giving my opinion, to possibly be helpful, to someone specific (who made the original post). Since this is an open forum, anyone can read my response. But, I wasn't responding to everyone, so I need not answer anyone's curiosity about me or my response.

If you are taking umbrage with my preference for privacy, I'll ask you politely to not mind my business.

No, you didn't say suffer the consequences, I did....and you'd pretty much have to be brain dead to see that was done in parody of what you said.

You're a "private person"? Well, what the hell do you come on here for? To say something and not back it up? Last time I looked, this was a public forum.

You just wanted to say something, and didn't expect to get called on it, because you were just pulling that out of your butt.

uh...I just wanted to tell you that I think a certain way, but I'm not gonna tell you why. Rolling Eyes

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