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FREE TIBET!!!!...and then what?

 
 
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 09:27 pm
I admit I'm not very familiar with the Tibetan situation.

To scape from oppression of the Beijing regime and fall into oppression of the oh-so-peaceful lamas?
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 09:38 pm
Your citation of wiki merely proves my point that China is made up of more than Han. 92% does not equal 100%. Unless you think the 8 percent are invisible and non existent, therefore China is Han. That's what you're implying, so your point about me being an idiot if I say that America is Washintinions (which I DO NOT) applies equally to you.
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Reply Thu 11 Dec, 2008 10:13 pm
My argument is that people living in the situation should have the right to choose what is "good" for them. We should respect their rights to choose what they want, how they want to live. Of course, they may be choosing what turns out to be a rocky road. But that is their wish & their choice. That's what comes with autonomy, if ever it is achieved.

East Timor is one of the poorest countries in the world now. It became a part of Indonesia against the majority of the peoples' wishes after years of Portuguese (sp?) colonial rule. The East Timorese are Catholic in the majority & Indonesia is overwhelmingly Muslim. Years & years of struggle (with a horrendous human toll) meant that East Timor finally became independent from a very reluctant Indonesia. It is now a struggling, independent nation. High unemployment, social instability. A long way to go before it can stand capably on its own. Off-shore oil may proove be the life saver - IF the East Timorese retain control over it. But, I'm certain that if you asked them, you'd find many East Timorese would say the struggle was worth it. They would probably be much better off, financially as part of Indonesia. They would also most likely lose their identity, too. As is often the way in these situations, many of the "improvements ", the development (roads, business, education, etc) in East Timor were seen as part of the "Javanization" of their culture & country. I don't know how you can accurately measure loss of identity & rights against material improvements provided by what you consider to be an oppressive power. Me, I tend to have sympathy with those who are fighting against oppression. Who are we to tell them what is "best" for them?
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Reply Thu 25 Dec, 2008 11:43 am
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BEIJING — The police have detained 59 people in Tibet on charges that they sought to foment unrest by spreading ethnic hatred and by downloading and selling banned songs from the Internet, Chinese state media reported Thursday.

The detainees, none of whom were identified, are accused of acting at the behest of the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader whom the government blames for encouraging separatist sentiment in heavily Tibetan areas.

Since Dec. 4, public security officials have been sweeping the markets of Lhasa looking for compact discs that contain “reactionary songs,” according to the China News Service. Those who distribute such songs, the report said, “hope to spark violence and damage Lhasa’s political stability.” Lhasa is the capital of the Tibet Autonomous Region of China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/26/world/asia/26tibet.html?_r=1&hp

For anyone who is still in doubt about the Han's controlling Tibet, and their unwillingness to reconsider overrunning and killing off Tibetan culture.
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2009 07:07 pm
Tibet has been part of China since the Mongols conquered China and Tibet. China protected Tibet from Nepal and India over the centuries. In their expansion of Indian territory, Imperial Britain tricked and massacred Tibet troops at the Tibetan border. They unilaterally drew the Macmahon Line that delineated the northern Indian border with Tibet and China to their own benefit. They sold opium to the Chinese and that is how Hong Kong came to be a British Colony. British Imperialist policies affected the whole region in a deleterious manner for the locals. Britain, Russia, France and Japan attacked a weakened China and carved it up to their own gains. Today the British including those from Ozzieland and crazies from 'Merrica are still trying to destroy China by interfering with internal Chinese matters. How about discussing Northern Ireland? Britain can't even get their own house in order. Is there no end to Zenophobia? Tibet is part of China as surely as the Ku Klaux Klan are Americans.
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Reply Thu 1 Jan, 2009 07:21 pm
Don't forget that the recent violent riots in Lhasa were aimed at the Chinese and Chinese properties. The perpetrators were Tibetan monks who represent the ruling elite and do not represent the majority. They are the ones causing the trouble. There is no general unrest in Tibet. As Tibet is part of China don't the Chinese have the freedom to live anywhere in China?
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Reply Wed 28 Jan, 2009 10:04 pm
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Lhasa's entire investigative police force mobilized more than 600 people and 160 vehicles to check 2,922 rented apartments or houses, 14 hotels and guesthouses, 18 bars, and three Internet cafes, the Lhasa Evening News said, according to a translation e-mailed by the International Campaign for Tibet, which advocates more autonomy for the Himalayan region. The police push follows 10 months of tight security after rioting broke out March 14, leading to the deaths of at least 18 civilians and one police officer and sparking anti-government protests and a massive government crackdown.


"Strike hard" campaigns have historically been launched in China to fight crime and corruption. But in this case, the Tibetan Center for Human Rights and Democracy said in a statement, "the motive is to intimidate and eliminate those supporting Tibetan independence and human rights activists in Tibet."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/28/AR2009012801176.html?hpid=topnews

china has no intention of allowing an ember of the freedom movement to ignite, they will rub out all traces of the " free Tibet" movement.
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