America... Spying on Americans II

FreeDuck wrote:

The people who are opposed to this program are opposed on quite legitimate grounds. You may feel that it is just a morphing opposition to Bush himself, but that's based on your proxied persecution complex and not on fact.

Riiiight... There's no political games being played with national security.

McGentrix wrote:

FreeDuck wrote:

The people who are opposed to this program are opposed on quite legitimate grounds. You may feel that it is just a morphing opposition to Bush himself, but that's based on your proxied persecution complex and not on fact.

Riiiight... There's no political games being played with national security.

Do tell. And let me guess, only the Democrats would do such a thing.

revel wrote:

Do you have a link where it says congress has a committee where the details of the program will be provided? Gonzales has said they will not release the details of the program, didn't say anything about providing it to a select committee.

White House Agrees to Brief Congress on NSA Surveillance

Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.) said in an interview that the "balance must be preserved between the executive branch and the legislature. And I think this is a clear example of where the balance has gotten skewed. . . . The administration cannot unilaterally assume that they have the answers to get around or go over a law." Hagel sits on the Senate intelligence committee, which is to be privately briefed today by Gonzales and Hayden.

Sen. Sam Brownback (R-Kan.) said in an interview, "I think there's a decent shot at crafting legislation to make the FISA court a more workable option" for setting guidelines for the surveillance program. He said he wants "a separate set of eyes involved in this to provide safeguards."

McG, you are unable to look at this issue objectively.

White House Agrees to Brief Congress on NSA Surveillance

They've had enough time to delete and revise anything about this program since the democrats took over congress in November.

"Balance of power" flies way over your head.

The only thing "faceiousness" is your brain that doesn't know that wiretaps without FISA court approval is illegal. You're a lawyer that doesn't understand the basics of our Constitution and Bill of Rights.

The National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC) has obtained a copy of an official complaint filed by a veteran FBI Special Agent, Gilbert Graham, with the Department of Justice Office of the Inspector General (DOJ-OIG). SA Graham's protected disclosures report the violation of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) in conducting electronic surveillance of high-profile U.S. public officials.

Before his retirement in 2002, SA Gilbert Graham worked for the FBI Washington Field Office (WFO) Squad NS-24. One of the main areas of Mr. Graham's counterintelligence investigations involved espionage activities by Turkish officials and agents in the United States. On April 2, 2002, Graham filed with the DOJ-OIG a classified protected disclosure, which provided a detailed account of FISA violations involving misuse of FISA warrants to engage in domestic surveillance. In his unclassified report SA Graham states:

"It is the complainant's reasonable belief that the request for ELSUR [electronic surveillance] coverage was a subterfuge to collect evidentiary information concerning public corruption matters."

In an interview with NSWBC investigators the former FBI Specialist, who wished to remain anonymous, stated: "…you are looking at covering up massive public corruption and espionage cases; to top that off you have major violations of FISA by the FBI Washington Field Office and HQ targeting these cases. Everyone involved has motive to cover up these reports and prevent investigation and public disclosure. No wonder they invoked the state secrets privilege in Edmonds' case."