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I saw the Dalai Lama yesterday

 
 
Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 07:49 am
His speech



This little bitty man in red robes walks out onto the stage >
His hands clasped, he just stood there..smiling and watching the crowd.
The smile he owns looks like that of a 5 year old child who discovered his first frog.
His chair is twice his size, with a large pillow behind him for support.
His translator , a meek soft spoken man, sits next to him and just watches.
He sits in his chair and fumbles with his shoe laces
He gives up, kickes them off, crosses his legs in his chair and chuckles.
The crowd begins laughing right along with him and from that point on , he owns us.

This short man, in bright red robes and a smile 50 years younger then he is begins to speak. Out of his little body is this hypnotising, non matching, deep voice that lulls the crowd into a silence I have never heard. Not even babies disturb his flow of words.

Some how.. after 5 minutes , he wakes the crowd up and is done with his speech.
You are left happy, yet unstaisfied that he spoke for such a short time.
Until you look at your watch and see.. he spoke for an hour and a half..
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 07:51 am
Oooh...
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 07:52 am
Groupy!
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FreeDuck
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 07:53 am
Interesting.
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JPB
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 08:15 am
So cool, I would love to hear him speak in person. I'm glad you were able to have the chance, Shewolf.
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Reyn
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 08:18 am
He was here in Vancouver earlier this year. Made quite a splash. Lots of charisma and presence.... Very Happy
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 08:33 am
I wish i could put into better words what it was like to experience HIM. Not just his words..
presence??
There was easily 10,000 people in the place and not a single soul coughed, sneezed,or even stirred.
I walked out of there like I had been meditating for ages.
Captivated audience? I think that is an understatement.
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sozobe
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 08:37 am
I love the "discovered his first frog" line...

My roommate in college went to see him and was similarly transported.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 09:14 am
apparently , for about 14 years to my understanding, he hasnt been able to go back home to Tibet.
I understand that he is hunted there by China and could be killed..

is this true? anyone know why?
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DrewDad
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 09:20 am
http://www.kut.org/site/PageServer?pagename=web_events

Here's a link to the speech.

It is true that he would be hunted. I forget the circumstances.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 09:31 am
yeah I do too.

I know that china invaded tibet, what? about 50 years ago?
I dont know the reasons behind that either.
Tibet has no real ' natural resources" and from what I have learned, it seemed to me that it was more of a slap in the face to tibet then anything else. And china still has a huge hold on tibet.
To my understanding , the current dalai lama was allowed in tibet until approx 14 years ago.

I have been looking this up, i will post info if and when i find it.
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BorisKitten
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 10:46 am
Oh my gosh you lucky thing you! The Dalai Lama is one of very few people whom I truly admire, even love, and I've never met him or heard him speak in person.

You simply Must read his books! He's fantastically smart, so that even I cannot follow his more intellectual discourses on ancient texts, yet he can explain these concepts in ways understandable to all of us.

He has caused me to change my life. His practice of compassion has convinced me to practice it as well, to a point I've never imagined. He is right that we practice compassion to others to benefit not only others, but ourselves as well. In my opinion, there is no more healing practice.

His "job" as the Dalai Lama is to represent the Buddhist practice of Compassion on earth. In this he has succeeded beyond all expectations.

I began to meditate, following his book "How to Practice" (I think that's the title), and have found great benefit from it. Another great book of his is "The Art of Happiness," a best-seller everywhere.

He fled Tibet in 1959 and has lived in India ever since. The Chinese took over his country, destroyed their monastaries, imprisoned their monks, and yet the Dalai Lama still feels compassion for all Chinese people. I remember a vivid description of his meeting with Chairman Mao, where Mao ridiculed religion and called it "poison." The Dalai Lama simply bowed his head and said nothing.

I am not a religious person in any sense and have never believed in any God. Yet I feel free to call myself a Buddhist. The Dalai Lama feels any Buddhism is good Buddhism, and says he has no problem with Westerners like us practicing Buddhist principles as psychology, discarding all of its supernatural precepts. I don't believe in reincarnation or anything supernatural, yet Buddhism has changed my life for the better.

There's a wonderful movie with Brad Pitt, whose title has escaped me at the moment, about the Dalai Lama in his younger years. A "must-see!"

I love this man! You lucky woman!
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BorisKitten
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 10:52 am
OK, googled the name of the movie: "Seven Years in Tibet," which came out in 1997.

From the review: "This movie is Not about the Dalai Lama. This is the true story of the arduous spiritual transformation of Heinrich Harrer, from Third Reich poster boy and all-around asshole, into a genuine and loving human being."

A delightful film!
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 03:31 pm
Chinese invasion of Tibet:

http://www.tibet.com/WhitePaper/white2.html


"http://www.savetibet.org/tibet/history/beforechinese.php

"........China's present claim to Tibet is based entirely on the influence that Mongol and Manchuk emperors exercised over Tibet in the thirteenth and eighteenth centuries, respectively.

As Genghis Khan's Mongol Empire expanded toward Europe in the west and China in the east in the thirteenth century, the Tibetan leaders of the Sakya school of Tibetan Buddhism concluded an agreement with the Mongol rulers in order to avoid the otherwise inevitable conquest of Tibet. They promised political allegiance and religious blessings and teachings in exchange for patronage and protection. The religious relationship became so important that when Kublai Khan conquered China and established the Yuan dynasty, he invited the Sakya Lama to become the Imperial Preceptor and supreme pontiff of his empire.

The relationship that developed and still exists today between the Mongols and Tibetans is a reflection of the close racial, cultural and especially religious affinity between the two Central Asian peoples. To claim that Tibet became a part of China because both countries were independently subjected to varying degrees of Mongol control, as the PRC does, is absurd. The Mongol Empire was a world empire; no evidence exists to indicate that the Mongols integrated the administration of China and Tibet or appended Tibet to China in any manner. It is like claiming that France should belong to England because both came under Roman domination, or that Burma became a part of India when the British Empire extended its authority over both territories.

This relatively brief period of foreign domination over Tibet occurred 700 years ago. Tibet broke away from the Yuan emperor before China regained its independence from the Mongols with the establishment of the native Ming dynasty. Not until the eighteenth century did Tibet once again come under a degree of foreign influence.

The Ming dynasty, which ruled China from I368 to I644, had few ties to and no authority over Tibet. On the other hand, the Manchus, who conquered China and established the Qing dynasty in the seventeenth century, embraced Tibetan Buddhism as the Mongols had and developed close ties with the Tibetans. The Dalai Lama, who had by then become the spiritual and temporal ruler of Tibet, agreed to become the spiritual guide of the Manchu emperor. He accepted patronage and protection in exchange. This "priest-patron" relationship, which the Dalai Lama also maintained with numerous Mongol Khans and Tibetan nobles, was the only formal tie that existed between the Tibetans and Manchus during the Qing dynasty. It did not, in itself, affect Tibet`s independence.

On the political level, some powerful Manchu emperors succeeded in exerting a degree of influence over Tibet. Thus, between I720 and I792 the Manchu emperors Kangxi, Yong Zhen and Qianlong sent imperial troops into Tibet four times to protect the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people from foreign invasion or internal unrest. It was these expeditions that provided them with influence in Tibet. The emperor sent representatives to the Tibetan capital, Lhasa, some of whom successfully exercised their influence, in his name, over the Tibetan government, particularly with respect to the conduct of foreign relations. At the height of Manchu power, which lasted a few decades, the situation was not unlike that which can exist between a superpower and a neighboring satellite or protectorate. The subjection of a state to foreign influence and even intervention in foreign or domestic affairs, however significant this may be politically, does not in itself entail the legal extinction of that state. Consequently, although some Manchu emperors exerted considerable influence over Tibet, they did not thereby incorporate Tibet into their empire, much less China.

Manchu influence did not last for very long. It was entirely ineffective by the time the British briefly invaded Tibet in I904, and ceased entirely with the overthrow of the Qing dynasty in I9II, and its replacement in China by a native republican government. Whatever ties existed between the Dalai Lama and the Qing emperor were extinguished with the dissolution of the Manchu Empire.

1911 - 1950

From I911 to I950, Tibet successfully avoided undue foreign influence and behaved, in every respect, as a fully independent state. The I3th Dalai Lama emphasized his country's independent status externally, in formal communications to foreign rulers, and internally, by issuing a proclamation reaffirming Tibet's independence and by strengthening the country's defenses. Tibet remained neutral during the Second World War, despite strong pressure from China and its allies, Britain and the U.S.A. The Tibetan government maintained independent international relations with all neighboring countries, most of whom had diplomatic representatives in Lhasa.

The attitude of most foreign governments with whom Tibet maintained relations implied their recognition of Tibet's independent status. The British government bound itself not to recognize Chinese suzerainty or any other rights over Tibet unless China signed the draft Simla Convention of I9I4 with Britain and Tibet, which China never did. Nepal's recognition was confirmed by the Nepalese government in I949, in documents presented to the United Nations in support of that governments application for membership.

The turning point in Tibet's history came in I949, when the People's Liberation Army of the PRC first crossed into Tibet. After defeating the small Tibetan army, the Chinese government imposed the so-called "I7-Point Agreement for the Peaceful Liberation of Tibet" on the Tibetan government in May I951. Because it was signed under duress, the agreement was void under international law. The presence of 40,000 troops in Tibet, the threat of an immediate occupation of Lhasa and the prospect of the total obliteration of the Tibetan state left Tibetans little choice.

It should be noted that numerous countries made statements in the course of UN General Assembly debates following the invasion of Tibet that reflected their recognition of Tibet's independent status. Thus, for example, the delegate from the Philippines declared: "It is clear that on the eve of the invasion I950, Tibet was not under the rule of any foreign country." The delegate from Thailand reminded the assembly that the majority of states "refute the contention that Tibet is part of China." The US joined most other UN members in condemning the Chinese "aggression" and "invasion" of Tibet.

In the course of Tibet's 2,000-year history, the country came under a degree of foreign influence only for short periods of time in the thirteenth and eighteenth centuries. Few independent countries today can claim as impressive a record. As the ambassador for Ireland at the UN remarked during the General Assembly debates on the question of Tibet,"[f]or thousands of years, or for a couple of thousand years at any rate, [Tibet] was as free and as fully in control of its own affairs as any nation in this Assembly, and a thousand times more free to look after its own affairs than many of the nations here.".................."




http://www.savetibet.org/tibet/history/beforechinese.php




http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/tibet.htm



Chinese version:

http://www.index-china.com/index-english/Tibet-s.html



http://www.ccds.charlotte.nc.us/History/China/02/bishop/bishop.htm







BOOOOOOOOOOO!
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 05:29 pm
WOW..
thanks for that information Dl.
ill be reading for a while..
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Frank Apisa
 
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Reply Wed 21 Sep, 2005 05:38 pm
Great story, Shewolf. You are a lucky person.

I was lucky enough to have an audience with Pius XII...back in 1956. It was not a private audience...there were 2000 other people there. But being in the presence of an important person can make one feel like he/she is the only one there.

Really funny thing: Just a few months back...at the funeral of an aunt...another of my aunts and I were discussing the health of then Pope John Paul II...and I brought up the papal audience. For some reason...she had never heard about it.

And she gave me this piece of information: Her mother...my mother's mother...my grandmother...was a very close childhood companion of Eugeno Pacelli...Pius XII. She knew him very well...and had talked to him as an adult while he was a cardinal.

Really wish I had known that back in 1956! I might have gotten to see him up close.
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shewolfnm
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2005 09:39 am
Wow.. yeah! I would have loved to talk to him as well.

It IS strange how people like that can make you feel very.. for lack of better term ... blessed , for being in their presence.
It is one thing to see a person speak on television, but the experience of them while you are in the same room makes everything more personal even if you are #768 in a crowd of 50,000.
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Fri 23 Sep, 2005 11:45 am
Kundun is a good movie about the Dalai Lama
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