MIND=SPIRIT

The empty soul is then given a new body in the next period of universal activity, in the eternal oscillating universe, in which body it can create a new spirit=mind. for it is the mind that is the potential child of God the eternal evolving thought within the singularity, which is the origin of all life forms, and the flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God, only the accepted minds.

Nope. Our life is a meat flower. We bloom, we die. Nature recycles us as best it can, what with caskets, cremation and the like. Spirituality is a form of anthropomorphism, practiced within. Possibly the universe is a celestial flower, to bloom, to die. The dead don't come back to tell us a thing.

First my apologies, it seems my reply to you on a previous thread regarding my thoughts on God got the thread locked, for that I am sorry, I will try to refrain from such inflammatory remarks


Eternal punishment and eternal death are only ideas in the mind and only have meaning to those of spirit. After the point in time that I receive the second death, it is no longer eternal death or eternal punishment from my POV because I will no longer exist to have a POV. Therefore no one, mind or spirit serves an eternal punishment

The human brain is incapable of comprehending infinity in any arena, so why would you want to live for eternity when you can't comprehend what eternity is

Which human brain are you referring to? Certainly not mine, everything I see, used to be something else previously, I cannot find a beginning anything, EVEN the eternal energy that has neither beginning or end, although “THOUGHT” could be said to have a beginning and an end.

The first law of thermodynamics is the same as the first law of conservation and that is, that energy can neither be created or destroyed. If energy cannot be created, then it always was, and If it can never be destroyed, it always will be. Therefore, according to this law, energy must be eternal, having neither beginning or end.

Energy can be and is converted to that which we perceive as matter. In fact, this apparent material universe at the time of the Big Bang, was pure electromagnetic energy, which, in my opinion was spewed out of a ‘WHITE HOLE,’ in the trillions upon trillions of degrees, which has been converted to that which we perceive as matter, only to be reconverted to its original form as electromagnetic energy during the phase of the Big Crunch.

If you believe that a universe of mindless matter has produced beings with intrinsic ends, [in Kantian terminology, an end-in-itself] --------- self- replication capabilities, and “coded chemistry”? Then you must accept that it is the eternal energy, which has neither beginning or end, that has become this material universe and has developed a mind that is the compilation of all the information gathered by all the diverse life-forms that it [The Eternal Energy] has become, the collective consciousness of all that it is.

Every living thing within this apparent boundless cosmos, are merely information gatherers for the eternal energy which manifests itself as this living universe and is all that exists and is, ’The Great Thought’ the collective consciousness of all that exists. At any given point in time, you are no more than inches away from a spider, fly, ant, or any other of the many information gatherers of the eternal, who is all that exists.

Jeremiah 23: 23-24; “I am a God who is everywhere and not in one place only. No one can hide where I cannot see him. Do you not know that I am everywhere in heaven and on earth? He has eyes and ears throughout the entire universe.

All things were created through the singularity of origin, by the singularity of origin and for the singularity of origin, without the singularity of origin nothing would exist.

Can you know of and comprehend every previous manifestation of everything that you see


The laws of physics that govern our present universe may be very different from the laws of physics that governed in whatever existed before the BB


Can you comprehend a trillion trillion degrees, the distance to Alpha Centauri, the mass of a Neutron Star or 10 billion years

If God deems you worthy you will receive eternal life, eternity is infinite, can you comprehend eternity ?

NO! But I can and do know that everything that exists today has always existed in one form or another, otherwise it cannot exist today .



MAY BE? ? DO you have the proof to verify that statement?



YES! 50% is hot, a trillion, trillion degrees is a lot hotter. I realise that the distance to Alpha Centauri is a lot further than from here to the moon. 10 billion years is 3.8 billion years short of the tine this generation of the universe has existed.

The mass of a Neutron star?---- A neutron star is what is left over when a very heavy star explodes. This explosion is called a Supernova, the gravitational collapse of those bigger stars, create a fast spinning body no bigger than the earth, which is so dense that even a thimble full of their material, would weigh anything up to about 100 million tons.

Atoms have a certain weight, but the weight is almost all in the nucleus. The nucleus inside an atom is so small that if you made a model of an atom that was the size of a large house, the nucleus would still only be the size of a grain of salt. An atom, apart from its nucleus, is almost all space.
In a neutron star, all of the atoms have been crushed together so tightly by the force of gravity that their nuclei are touching. If you can imagine the amount of space needed for a billion large houses to occupy, then reduce that to the space needed to house a billion grains of salt, which still weigh almost the same as the billion houses, then you have some idea as to what a neutron star is. But unlike a Black Hole, neutron stars do radiate pulses of energy and are called ‘Pulsars.’



Knowing that this body in which "I" the mind am developing has no beginning, I look forward to experiencing my eternal past in the eternal future that lays before me.

This body that you see it isn't really me
It's but the womb in which I'm being formed
For I am spirit, I am mind and it's the only place you'll find
WHO I AM, until the day I'm finally born
For I will not be free untill this body that you see
Has returned to the dust from whence it came
It's then that I'll be born from this womb in which I'm formed
To carry on in life's eternal game.

I can and do know that everything that exists today has always existed in one form or another, otherwise it cannot exist today .

I can buy that.

Can you buy this also as seen below.

I Never cease to wonder midst the lightening and the thunder
How a million tons of water can just hang there in the sky
And the snow-flakes, have you seen them? Such diversity between them
Never two of them the same, I wonder why?

Nature poses many questions and though the scientists may test them
And discover many secrets that she hides
I’ll bet if they could live forever, with all their studies and endeavours
In the end they’d be like us, still mystified

For the world is ever changing, interacting, rearranging
The only constant that you’ll find, is constant change
Take a plant as one example and the evidence is ample
You’ll never find a pair that are the same

Or view it from a different slant: take a photo of a plant
And each------ successive generation as they grow
Then in a million years or so, compare the first and last photo
Or better still----run all the film out in one long row

Then you’ll see the gradual change, no two plants will be the same
Old evolution definitely holds its sway
For each seed must have within it, all the experience of its parent
And In the end result, each plant will have its say.

My disagreements with you are when you wax metaphysical.

It's conjecture, the statement was never meant to be a statement of fact


I can't imagine a billion houses or a billion grains of salt, and no amount of juggling numbers could give me any idea of what a neutron star is. I find that as numbers get bigger and outside of my everyday experience they and what they represent become ever more vague. This is why I can't comprehend the trillion trillion, distance to Alpha Centauri, mass of a Neutron Star or 10 billion years


Following your logic I have to concede that you can comprehend eternity, given that eternity is longer than 2 minutes

Or rather, when you finally comprehend that, what you have become, has always eternally existed in one form or another and what you are, will continue into the everlasting to become what you will be, it is then that eternity begins for you.

But if you the mind believe that you will cease to exist when the body in which you are developing returns to the elements from which it was created, then what the mind believes must happen.

What is the reward that the mind receives?
Surely it is --- what that mind believes
So the mind that rejects eternity
When freed from its body, where will it be?

What is that body that gave to you birth?
Is it nothing but elements taken from earth?
Or was it created from the spirits and souls
Of your ancestors who --- are from times that are old?

Believe as you will, but remember this verse,
When your coffin is placed in the back of the hearse.
The reward that the mind must surely receive
Is that which the mind (Not in the hearse) believes.

According to scientific calculations the Galaxy Andromeda is on a collision course with our Milky-Way galaxy, but they are not expected to merge for another 4.5 billion years, while the larger Magellanic cloud, a small galaxy that is orbiting our Milky Way is moving ever closer, but it is not expected to collide with us within the next 2 billion years.

A Black Hole is a massive system so centrally condensed that the force of gravity prevents everything within it, even light from escaping. But how many Black Holes are out there in the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos? How much dark matter is hidden within those Black Holes? Nobody knows, science is still coming to grips with Black Holes, which are believed to be at the centre of all Spiral and elliptical galaxies, and Black Holes devour everything of lesser mass that comes in contact with them, even smaller Black HOLES.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe.

That black hole is at the center of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy. The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the center of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe. Here we see “The ‘BIG CRUNCH’ in action.”

But this would be much, much to difficult for an unimaginative mind such as you to comprehend and a waste of anyone’s time to attempt to explain it to you.

I believe that in this present universe matter and energy can neither be created or destroyed, prior to the BB I don't presume to know. Even if matter and energy are eternal, knowing this doesn't give me a comprehension of eternity, only a definition of such


And yet you do

It is you who is unimaginative, you have set the bar at a very low and simplistic level as to what you accept as comprehension of astronomical numbers, your comprehension of a trillion trillion degrees for example



Lastly, I've seen M31 many times with the naked eye and viewed it in an 8.5 inch Newtonian reflector I once owned. There is nothing in what you have posted above that I haven't already read, all I can add is to say I can't comprehend the big numbers I've highlighted

I too have seen the Andromeda galaxy with the naked eye on a dark moonless night, but not the 36 satellite galaxies that orbit it and I comprehend that it is a long, long distance away from us, 2.5 million light years in fact.
You are able to comprehend how far a light year is I hope, If not, one light-year is around 5.88 trillion miles, now multiply that by 2.5 million and you will be able to comprehend the distance between the two.

Because of your self-confessed inability to comprehend large numbers, I would suggest that you take the largest number that you can comprehend and divide it into the smallest number that you can’t comprehend, then by adding the number of numbers that you can comprehend that go into the number you can’t comprehend, this should allow you to then be able to comprehend the large number that you previously were unable to comprehend.



Unlike you, I also believe in the ‘BIG CRUNCH’ and that each period of expansion Must begin with a singularity trapped within a Black Hole.

A singularity is a region of space-time in which matter is crushed so closely together that the gravitational laws explained by general relativity break down. In a singularity, the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite. Scientists believe such a singularity exists at the core of a black hole, which occurs when a super-massive sun reaches the end of its life and implodes.

General relativity also demands such a singularity must exist at the beginning of an expanding universe. Witnessing the black holes in our condensing galactic cluster growing into monsters as they continue to devour al matter that they come in contact with.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes, dying stars, and planets within this galaxy plus the 23 or more satellite galaxies that orbit our Milky-Way being attracted to our central Black Hole. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward the super gravitational anomaly that is called the ‘Great Attractor’. And even that which is called the ‘Great Attractor’ is flowing toward the Shapley Supercluster? Is there something at the core of the ever-growing Shapley Supercluster that is pulling all the galaxies in our particular section of this boundless cosmos to itself, while all other clusters are accelerating away faster than the speed of light as they disappear beyond our cosmic horizon?

Will the last remaining Black monster swallow what material is left with the information that has been gained in this period of universal activity and reconvert that remaining material into the photons from which all was created and crush them into the growing singularity within, the singularity that science demands must exist before the next expanding universe? For the Great thought, our creator, is calling all creation back to himself, before creating for us a new heaven and a new earth.

Quantum physicists discovered that so called physical atoms are made up of vortices of energy that are constantly spinning and vibrating, each one radiating its own unique energy signature.
If you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope you would see a small, invisible tornado-like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure! Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

Pioneering physicist Sir James Jeans wrote: “The stream of knowledge is heading toward a non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like ‘A GREAT THOUGHT’ than like a great machine. Mind no longer appears to be an accidental intruder into the realm of matter, we ought rather hail it as the creator and governor of the realm of matter. (R. C. Henry, “The Mental Universe”; Nature 436:29, 2005)

The GREAT THOUGHT feeds on the incoming information before the next BIG BANG where it resurrects the old universal body in order that it should continue in the eternal process of evolution.

I can't comprehend how far a light second (186,000 miles) is let alone a light year


If I can't as I have already indicated comprehend 100 billion, what makes you think I can comprehend 5.88 trillion

When confronted with big numbers I try to make sense of them by relating them to something in everyday life. This computer I'm typing on now has 1 trillion bytes of memory, what can I relate that to in everyday life, I can't, so I can't comprehend the number

When the number is related to Distance, Time, Mass or Temperature it's even more difficult

Try this

Look at the clock and note the time, then shut your eyes and try to judge the passing of 10 minutes. Then open your eyes and check the time on the clock. As the number 10 is within my everyday experience comprehending 10 Apples is no problem, comprehending 10 minutes, well there is an uncertainty about it

And this

On the beach draw a line in the sand then walk what you judge to be 1 mile. Now compare your distance walked against 1 mile on the map. For me comprehending 1 Apple, no problem, comprehending 1 mile, well once again there is an uncertainty about it


Ps Like the poem thankyou, it made me smile

I'm so glad that you were not offended by my use of your name in that throw away poem. But back to your inability to comprehend distance. I was going to discuss the firmament that was created on the second creative day and its distance from the earth, but I very much doubt if you would be able to comprehend the subject, except that first you understood the creation of "LIGHT" on the first day, the creation of the first massive hydrogen stars from which the first galaxies were created.

SO, if you don't mind, I might start from there.

The Word of God can be likened to a star that’s being ever brightened
By the mind of man reaching ever higher, but those who deviate, they’re liars
In God’s word, man’s mind can grow but those outside, they’re like the snow
That settles on the desert sand and will melt away before ‘I AM.’

This is the condensed account of creation as recorded in Genesis’.....…”In the beginning God created the universe, and the (heavens, and the earth) were formless and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep and God’s active force was moving on the face of the waters. Then God said let there be light.”

Here is the scientific theory of creation........In the beginning, there was the “BIG BANG” which is said to have spatially separated the supposed infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity, (which in my opinion was spewed out of the White Hole at the end of the Great Abyss into which the previous universe had descended and reconverted to the electromagnetic energy from which it had been created,) this event spewed out a liquid like soup of electromagnetic energy in the trillions of degrees, it was from the quantum of that plasma liquid-like electromagnetic energy that the earth and all the heavenly bodies would be created, and although, all that the earth was created from, was already there in the beginning, the earth at that time had neither constant shape or mass, which meant it was formless and void, and no suns had yet come into existence to light up the darkness of the expanding space.

But there was momentum (God’s active force, which was moving on the face of the waters, or liquid-like plasma) within that ever-cooling cosmic cloud of wave particles, which wave particles are the quantum of that liquid like electromagnetic energy, and are not really particles at all as they have zero mass and no electric charge, yet they carry angular and linear momentum.

One would expect, that those wave particles which are the quantum of the liquid like electromagnetic energy, would have continued to expand further and further away from each other in the expansion of the universal building material. But with the angular momentum of those waves, they collided with each other in nuclear fusion in the creation of the first basic sub-atomic particles.

As the universal temperature dropped to some billions of degrees, the dark energy which was the expansion’s acceleration force, began to form into dark matter, hydrogen and helium, with trace quantities of lithium, beryllium, and boron.
As the universe expanded and cooled, more hydrogen molecules were formed, [which is the simplest possible molecule. It consists of two protons and two electrons held together by electrostatic forces]. and from these, after some thirty million years of attraction, came the formation of the first gigantic Hydrogen stars, [Massive atomic reactors] from which the galaxies would later be created. Although, it is said today that Astronomers can see light from a time when the Universe was only 380,000 years old:

And God said, “Let there be light.” Which was not the light from the sun of this minor solar system within our Milky Way galaxy, which solar system would not be created for some nine billion years after the creation of those first massive stars that lit up the darkness of the bottomless pit, in which massive nuclear reactors the heavier elements were created.

Bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes,’ around which began to orbit the material that was blasted out with the implosion of those massive stars.

Here ends the first day as the lights of the universe went out and evening descended once again

Continued from previous post.



According to the best theory we have today as to the origin of this generation of the universe, it was some 14 billion years ago, that an immense explosion, known as the Big Bang, spewed out massive amounts of liquid like electromagnetic energy in the trillions and trillions of degrees, creating a rapidly expanding universe.

Within moments of the expansion, the universal temperature had dropped to some billions of degrees, and the vibrating wave particles, which were the quantum of that energy, collided in nuclear fusion reactions to form hydrogen and helium and when the universal temperature had cooled to a point where fusion stopped generating these basic elements, it left hydrogen as the dominant component from which the first gigantic stars were created, in which massive atomic reactors, the heavier elements, such as carbon and oxygen, would be created.

As said previously, bursting into life and light throughout the primitive universe over an unknown period of time, those first generation stars would have been thousands upon thousands of times as massive as our Sun and millions of times as bright, but each one burned for only a few million years before meeting a violent end, when they exploded out in a brilliant flash before collapsing in upon themselves creating the massive centrally condensed systems called ‘Black Holes,’ in which the greater percentage of their mass was trapped.

The first creative day ended as all those gigantic stars collapsed. Those first gigantic stars, in which the heavier elements were created, from which the galaxies would later be created and which massive stars would have been collapsing in upon themselves, and evening descended as the lights of the universe went out, and the black holes devoured each other, and darkness covered the contracting space.
The second DAY [Period of universal activity] begins by bringing to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.

This is one scientific theory as to the creation of our solar system some 9 billion years after the creation of those first massive stars that lit up the darkness of the expanding space.
Whether or not a better theory than that which we have today will develop, time will tell.

This theory would appear to support the biblical statement, that the process of the division of the waters above from the waters below, [See Genesis 1: 6; KJV] or the division of the solar nebula cloud from the greater Galactic nebula cloud, began some five billion years ago, and that the whole process began with the division of the waters (cloud) above, from the waters (Cloud) below from which the entire Solar system was created. This took just a few hundred million years, about 400 million years in fact, and the creation of our entire solar system was completed by about 4.6 billion years ago.

It was from the galactic nebular cloud, which was the residue of the heavier elements that were exploded off with the great super nova, which was the death of one of those gigantic earlier generation Stars, that our Milky-Way galaxy would be formed in the second creative period=day, as the active universal forces brought about a division of the Solar nebular cloud [The Waters Below] from the Galactic nebular cloud [The Waters Above].

The accretion of the galactic nebula disk, which was being attracted to the central Black Hole around which it had begun to orbit, transferred angular momentum outward as it transferred mass inward, it was this that caused our solar nebula to begin to rotate and condense inward, bringing a division of the solar cloud, from the galactic cloud, or the waters above from the waters below.

Within the greater nebular cloud, which was slowly beginning to revolve around the Black Hole that anchored it in space, a piece of the larger cloud complex started to collapse about five billion years ago. The cloud complex had already been "polluted" with dust grains from previous generations of stars, so it was possible to form the rocky terrestrial planets as gravity pulled the gas and dust together, forming a solar nebula. As the cloud=waters of the solar nebula collapsed, its slight rotation increased. This is because of the conservation of angular momentum.

Just like a dancer who spins faster as she pulls in her arms, the cloud began to spin as it collapsed. Eventually, the cloud grew hotter and denser in the centre, with a disk of gas and dust surrounding it that was hot in the centre but cool at the edges. As the disk got thinner and thinner, particles began to stick together and form clumps. Some clumps got bigger, as particles and small clumps stuck to them, eventually forming planets or moons. Genesis 1: 6—9. As the heavenly cloud was gathered together in one place, dry land, or rather planets began to form.

Near the centre of the condensing cloud, where planets like earth formed, only rocky material could stand the great heat. Icy matter settled in the outer regions of the disk along with rocky material, where the giant planets like Jupiter formed.
As the cloud continued to fall in, the centre would get so hot that it would eventually become a star and with a strong stellar wind, would blow away most of the gas and dust from which the planets of the solar system had been formed.

By studying meteorites, which are thought to be left over from this early phase of the solar system, scientists have found that the solar system is about 4.6 billion years old! As the solar nebula collapsed, the gas and dust heated up through collisions among the particles. The solar nebula heated up to around 3000 K so everything was in a gaseous form. The solar nebula's composition was similar to the present-day Sun's composition: about 93% hydrogen, 6% helium, and about 1% silicates and iron, and the density of the gas and dust increased toward the core where the proto-sun was: [PROTO SUN.]. The inner, denser regions collapsed more quickly than the outer regions.

PROTO-HUMANS WERE NOT HUMANS AND THE PROTO-SUN, WAS NOT YET OUR SUN.

Around Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun the temperature was cool enough to freeze water (the so-called "snow line" or "frost line"). Further out from the proto-Sun, ammonia and methane were able to condense. There was a significant amount of water closer to the Proto-sun, but could not condense. When the solar nebula stopped collapsing it began cooling, though the core that would later form the Sun remained hot.

This meant that the outer parts of the solar nebula cooled off more than the inner parts closer to the hot proto-Sun. Only metal and rock materials could condense (solidify) at the high temperatures close to the proto-Sun. Therefore, the metal and rock materials could condense in all the places where the planets were forming. Volatile materials (like water, methane and ammonia) could only condense in the outer parts of the solar nebula.

Because the density of the solar nebula material increased inward, there was more water at Jupiter's distance than at the distances of Saturn, Uranus, or Neptune. The greater amount of water ice at Jupiter's distance from the proto-Sun helped it grow larger than the other planets. Although, there was more water closer to the proto-Sun than Jupiter, that water was too warm to condense. Material with the highest freezing temperatures condensed to form the chondrules that were then incorporated in lower freezing temperature material. Chondrules (from Ancient Greek chondros, meaning grain) are round grains found in chondrites. Chondrules form as molten or partially molten droplets in space before being accreted to their parent asteroids.

Any material that later became part of a planet underwent further heating and processing when the planet differentiated so the heavy metals sunk to the planet's core and lighter metals floated up to nearer the surface.
Because of its great compression, the core of the proto-Sun finally reached about 10 million Kelvin and after the planets of the solar system had been created, the hydrogen nuclei started fusing together to produce helium nuclei and a lot of energy.

It was then that the proto-Sun "TURNED ON" and became our Sun, which produced the strong winds called T-Tauri winds named after the prototype star in the constellation Taurus.
These winds swept out the rest of the nebula that was not already incorporated into the planets. With most of the cocoon gas blown away, the new star itself becomes visible to the outside for the first time.

This whole process took just a few hundred million years and was finished by about 4.6 billion years ago. At the distance of about one light year from the earth, is the great icy Dome, that is the boundary of the firmament of our heavens, in which the sun, moon, and planets of our solar system were created.

I had trouble sleeping last night so around 4:30 am I rose, made a cup of tea, switched on the computer and saw your 1st post, it was an interesting read

At 5:00 am I decided to go out for a walk, as I left the house there was a near full Moon beaming down. First thought was it's 1.3 light seconds away or 240,000 miles, and for the next 30 minutes I juggled numbers trying to make sense of distances

On the 30 minute return home Orion the hunter was dead ahead with Sirius to heel. I felt uplifted with a sense of joy and wonderment that I rarely experience these days and certainly not at that time in the morning, as I strolled back home with the Moon, the Stars, and (Jupiter I think) below Gemini, all the while juggling numbers

Once home another cup of tea and computer on to see you had posted again, and so into another interesting read, thankyou

I have a thirst for reading about physics and science even if I can't get my head around the astronomical numbers.

Continued from the previous post.

According to the Genesis narrative, it is on the second day that the Lord calls for a "firmament" to be in the "midst of the waters" to divide the waters:
"And God said, let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters, (The Solar nebular cloud from the Galactic nebular cloud). And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under (or within) the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day." (Genesis 1:6-8 KJV)

The term "firmament" according to the Creation account, is taken from the Hebrew: רָקִיעַ raqiya` raw-kee'-ah, which is defined by many scholars as an expanse, or the visible arch of the sky:—firmament, but a primitive root; “רָקַע raqa` raw-kah” means, to pound, hammer, to overlay (with thin sheets of metal):—beat, make broad, spread abroad (forth, over, out, into plates), stamp, stretch.

The creation of the firmament is associated with the placement of some sort of structure, and in some modern Bibles and many modern scholars translate the Hebrew word raqia as a "dome" or "vault". The Hebrew language appears to imply that the firmament is a firm, fixed structure (FIRMament, which can now be seen as the spherical cloud of comets (Icy vault) in which our solar system was created from the solar nebula cloud that was divided from the greater galactic nebula cloud.

Unlike the orbits of the planets and the Kuiper Belt, which are pretty flat like a disk, the Oort Cloud is a spherical shell surrounding everything in our solar system. It's like a bubble with a thick shell. The Oort Cloud is made up of icy pieces of space debris.

"And God said, “Let there be lights within the firmament or vault to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years: And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so. And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also."

(Genesis 1:14-16 KJV) This verse says that the Sun, Moon, and Stars=planets of our solar system, are "within" the firmament. Therefore, the waters that are "above the firmament=dome/vault" must be above the Sun, Moon and Stars=planets of our solar system, revealing that the waters which are referred to in Psalms 148:4; "Praise him, ye heavens of heavens, and ye waters that [be] above the heavens," belong to the greater galactic nebula cloud which has become our Milky Way Galaxy.

The Oort cloud, or the Opik-Oort cloud, which is named after Jan Oort, is a spherical cloud that surrounds our solar system, a cloud of predominantly icy objects such as comets that are comprised of mainly hydrogen, oxygen=water, ammonia and methane, and extends up to about a light year from the sun and defines the cosmographical boundary of our Solar System and the region of the suns gravitational dominance. Here is the Firmament, the great spherical vault within which is found the sun, moons and planets of our solar system, the dome of ice above and around us.

Here is the Firmament, the great spherical vault within which is found the sun, moons and planets of our solar system, the dome of ice above us. It is said that Voyager 1 will take 300 years to reach the inner-wall of the balloon in which we live and another 300,000 years before it will penetrate the outer wall and fly free to visit the throne of God above the burning Ice.
Can you comprehend the distance from the inner wall of our vault/Firmament, to the outer shell?