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Clutter and being ignored...

 
 
MrSweck
 
Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2023 12:24 pm
"Love to buy new... and difficulty getting rid of old."

A few years in such an apartment can make a partner grind down his teeth. The rooms get smaller and smaller as things pile up against the walls and doors that can be opened become fewer and fewer... while it becomes harder and harder to clean.

This is not about some 'manic collecting' or 'hoarding'. Several times it has been SPOKEN about - shipping stuff to charity. selling on Facebook and even as far as she has asked for help to take pictures for advertisements, but then it is forgotten (again and again). So she IS fully aware of it and what I think about it... and I'm also pretty sure what it would look like if it could be done with just a snap of the fingers. She wouldn't miss all the children's toys, unwrapped trinkets, empty boxes, unused clothes, etc. etc... like she maybe would if it was based on actual compulsive hoarding.

It might have felt easier if it actually was. Then I could have pointed to 'help'... for something that even qualified as a 'diagnosis'. This is something that should be resolved with just "putting my foot down". "Now it's enough!", "You're not the only one living here!", "Sold, given away, thrown away, basement, I don't care... but no longer archived in the apartment!". There is a long list of things I could chose between. But that's where my own problem comes in: Some lack of self-esteem... and fear of conflict. I'm good at keeping my mouth shut and my teeth... maybe sit down in another room when it's too much.

I have tried a more cautious "attrition" tactic. 'Sneak' things in more often - try to find stuff (I don't need)... occasionally trip over something that shouldn't be there... remarks. Constant masked reminders to make it harder to ignore/forget. But it doesn't seem to break in (enough). If you don't have much to choose from, there is a limit to how often it can be used before it becomes clear what it actually is.

I BELIEVE (or at least want to believe) that she is missing a bigger picture here. Irritation about clutter everywhere was just a starting point. But years of having opinions ignored and feeling stepped on has triggered these other feelings too... "does she care about what I want"... "does she care about how I feel"... type of thoughts any partner would have reason to worry about.

What I would need is something "gentle" to actually confront, without it being an attack (that just make her upset with me ending up feeling guilty and shut up again). Letting her understand that I've had enough, without making it sound like an ultimatum. So far I haven't got more than 'not enough' and 'too much', none of it that leaves something lasting...
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hightor
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2023 12:29 pm
@MrSweck,
‘Depression Rooms’ and ‘Doom Piles’: Why Clearing the Clutter Can Feel Impossible

The link between messiness and mental health is real. These low-lift tips for keeping a clean-enough home will help.

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A camera pans around Abegael Milot’s bedroom. The floor is mostly invisible, hidden by piles of clothes. Four large plastic baskets are stacked on top of each other, some filled with laundry, others with electronics. There are eight abandoned cups of coffee on the desk and bedside table. On the floor lie two half-empty water bottles, a novelty bottle of tequila with a glass cactus inside, and a pet food dispenser.

“Today we’re going to be cleaning my depression room,” the 24-year-old YouTube star, who posts videos as Abbe Lucia, tells the camera. “I fear that the only way that I will make myself clean this room is if I film it.”

The term “depression room” is relatively new, popularized by videos on TikTok and YouTube that have accrued hundreds of millions of views. But experts have long recognized the link between messiness and mental health. The clutter that can accumulate when people are experiencing a mental health crisis is neither a form of hoarding, nor the result of laziness. The culprit is extreme fatigue, said N. Brad Schmidt, a distinguished research professor of psychology at Florida State University.

People are “oftentimes just so mentally and physically exhausted that they don’t feel like they have the energy to take care of themselves or their surroundings,” Dr. Schmidt said. “They just don’t have the capacity to engage with housecleaning and upkeep that they probably once did.”

A messy home can also contribute to feelings of overwhelm, stress and shame, making you feel worse than you already do. And while decluttering will not cure your depression, it can give you a mood boost. If you are struggling and it feels impossible to keep your surroundings tidy, here are a few tips on how to clean strategically to optimize your energy and your space.

Focus on function, not aesthetics

For KC Davis, a licensed professional counselor and author of the book “How to Keep House While Drowning,” her clutter problem ballooned when her second child was born in early 2020. “I’ve always been a messy person,” she said, “but it’s always been functional.” Suddenly faced with a new baby, postpartum depression and a pandemic, Ms. Davis realized that, without any systems in place, she was in over her head.

While she worked to declutter her home, Ms. Davis started posting videos of her progress on TikTok, where she now has 1.5 million followers. Turned off by much of the self-help and cleaning content that has what she called “boot camp messaging,” she opted for a gentler, more pragmatic approach. Her systems are realistic about her capabilities and focus on having a livable space, not a spotless one.

One of her most popular strategies is “five things tidying,” the idea that there are only five things in any room: trash, dishes, laundry, things with a place and things without a place. Focusing on one category at a time keeps her from getting overwhelmed when it seems like there are a hundred different items that need to be put away.

Ms. Davis is also a big advocate for what she calls “closing duties,” inspired by her time working as a waitress. She often doesn’t have the energy to clean her whole kitchen every evening, so she started doing just a few small tasks, “as a kindness to future me to set myself up for success in the morning.”

“I came away from this idea that it had to be all or nothing and just started thinking about function” when it came to cleaning, she said. “When I think about ‘What do I need in the morning?’ all of the sudden I can get specific.” She makes sure she has enough clean dishes and counter space so that she can make breakfast, empties the trash and sweeps up any crumbs. “What feels like this big, unending task is actually just 20 minutes of my day,” she said.

For people who are really struggling, Ms. Davis emphasized that things can be unsightly but shouldn’t be unsanitary because everyone “deserves to be clean and comfortable.” If you don’t have the energy to wash all your dishes, clean just one or two for your next meal, or use paper plates. If laundry involves too many steps, don’t worry about folding; wrinkles never hurt anybody.
Make your home work better for you

People who are neurodivergent, with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (A.D.H.D.), autism or other executive functioning issues, also often struggle with excess clutter. Like “depression rooms,” the term “doom piles” has become popular on social media to describe the random stuff that builds up and you don’t know what to do with. Nearly everyone has a junk drawer or two in their home, but these piles of clutter tend to be more ubiquitous for people who struggle with executive functioning.

Lenore Brooks is an interior designer who specializes in working with people who are neurodivergent. When her sister, who has A.D.H.D., lived with her for a brief time, Ms. Brooks discovered that there were lots of resources to help children with A.D.H.D. or autism stay organized but virtually none targeted at adults.

Much of Ms. Brooks’s work revolves around helping her clients deal with seemingly endless clutter; they feel like they’re constantly cleaning, but the clutter is always there. People with A.D.H.D. especially struggle with this because, she said, “it’s almost like decision fatigue all the time. ‘I can’t decide what to do with it, so I’m just not going to do anything with it.’”

The first step, Ms. Brooks said, is to really pay attention to the items that you’re frequently cleaning up. Then find better places for them to live. “What I talk to my clients about a lot is systems,” she said. “Figuring out why things are where they are, why clutter is building up where it is, and then changing the design or the organization around how people are actually using their home.”

These changes can be simple. For instance, if you find yourself constantly removing pens from your living-room couch cushions and coffee table, think about designating a spot to keep the pens in the room where you’re actually using them. For a client whose home office was always filled with dirty dishes, Ms. Brooks got her a tray that she could load her tea and snack paraphernalia onto and return to the kitchen at the end of every day.

Stop the problem before it starts

Once your space is cleanish and relatively decluttered, try to take a few minutes each day to keep it that way. Ms. Davis recommended setting a timer for five or 10 minutes and getting as much taken care of as you can during that time. “I tell myself, I don’t have to finish this task, but I’m going to get up for eight minutes and do it,” she said. “I’m usually surprised at how much I can get done.”

And remember, it’s normal to have some clutter in your home. The TV remote, your glasses, mail you need to sort, an art project you’re working on: “They are the signs of life in your home,” Ms. Brooks said.

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MrSweck
 
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Reply Sat 25 Feb, 2023 07:06 pm
@hightor,
I know that link is real. But it's not what's going on here. Here it's just kind of a tunnel vision... "If I'm fine with it then it's fine". This is about messiness and, I guess, quite a bit of laziness too. When you actually get her going, she WILL do stuff. Just an hour ago I folded up a few empty boxes that was MINE... (kind of "for me to throw away if I wish" message). That triggered a reaction that made her start clearing away a lot of her own empty boxes too. And when I now have vaccuumed and am sitting down to rest my back, she is continuing by herself... even packing up a couple of things for charity. She knows what it's about and she does it efficiently when she has started.
But I've been here before. These boxes is just a thin layer of something bigger, which she won't reach in a couple of hours. What I after this can consider as 'continuing where we left off', will to her be to 'starting something new'... much easier to forget if you don't feel a certain degree of commitment to do get it done.

It wasn't always like this. I guess she, to some degree, could have some "it can be useful"-way of thinking... like I can have myself too. But we had lived together for 10 years, without this problem, when I one day decided to take a year's break from my professional fly-tying. That opened up my less used fly-tying room as a convenient "basement extension"... and when there was no more space there, it slowly continued to spread over the rest of the apartment. I am 100% sure that if I hadn't paused my activities in there, it would not have started at all... or if the build-up had been quicker, she might even have seen it more clearly herself... or if I had been quicker it might have been easier for her to take in my message, when the work to turn it around would have felt easier.

I know she would prefer the apartment to look like it did 10 years ago. But I suspect it's the same with restoring as it was with building this up. If the pace is slow, an extra bag or box on top of the others "makes no difference". The same with getting rid of it. Unless she see a result of a day's work, she won't feel motivated to continue.

Everytime something is done, it's the easiest first... getting rid of empty boxes and re-locating "real" stuff. Then the second layer starts, the actual 'out'-labeled stuff, that takes a little more work. Selling, giving away, throwing away. That is where it stops and another easy layer starts to build again.

Tonight however, I might have come one step forward. She had cleared some stuff out of my office/fly-tying room and wanted me to look "if it was a good start"... she describing it as a 'start'. Until today, that is a word only I have used for it. I don't know what to hope for, but now she has said it herself... and I will not let her forget about it, or let her think that it has been forgotten by me. Now she will have her own words to live up to. If she just let this go again as usually I will let her know that I took that word very(!) seriously and expect more. I doubt she will feel comfortable with trying to explain that "she didn't mean anything with and said it just to please me",
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