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Will Smith

 
 
gollum
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2022 01:06 pm
@Mame,
Mame-

Yes, I guess a one-off event.
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2022 01:08 pm
@Linkat,
I have no idea - I don't watch these shows.

I deplore violence of any type and was astounded he received a Standing O when he won his award (for whatever). Someone commented somewhere that he's suffering some mental decline/collapse/whatever and maybe that's true, but what he did was unconscionable nonetheless. I think he should have been immediately escorted out and someone else appointed to receive his award.

In a few inappropriate and ugly moments, he ruined a lot of whatever goodwill he had going toward him. It wasn't just the slap, it was the screaming afterward. Anyway, he's not in my world and that's my final 2 cents on the issue.
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Region Philbis
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2022 03:24 pm

https://iili.io/GtGgDl.jpg
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2022 03:48 pm
@Linkat,
Why did that yahoo get banned from the Grammy's? What did he do this time?

Remember when Taylor Swift won and he went up there and said Beyonce should have won? That was pretty scandalous. That guy's a walking disaster on a short rope to nowheresville.
Linkat
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2022 03:54 pm
@Mame,
From what I read due to "concerning online behavior"
Mame
 
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Reply Mon 28 Mar, 2022 04:12 pm
@Linkat,
His communiques to Kimmy... yeah?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 08:44 am
@gollum,
So you like your justice ad lib'd and on the spot with no messy finding of facts or due process?

Is that for white actors, too, or just black actors?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 08:45 am
@gollum,
You seriously are a candidate for CRT. It will open your mind.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 08:50 am
@david lyga,
david lyga

Re: jespah (Post 7214889)
Perhaps, my dear, you should become familiar with the crime statistics as they relate to race. You might find that facts overthrow your naivete.

And, yes, this response will be duly demoted. Facts are less powerful than political persuasions. - David Lyga


Racism with just a soupcon of patriarchal sexism.

The "Demotion" has nothing to with "the power of facts", it's just that racism just like poop, sinks to the bottom.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 08:51 am
@izzythepush,
Quote:
Re: david lyga (Post 7214932)
I said you were incredibly verbose.


Isn't that a nice way of saying 'dense'?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 08:53 am
@hightor,
I can smell the burning synapses from here. Very nice post!!
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engineer
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 01:25 pm
@gollum,
Interesting article here.
Quote:
Most people agree the slap shouldn’t have happened. But there’s something that feels precious at best, and downright racist at worst, about white people’s reaction to the now-infamous smack. The Hollywood director Judd Apatow declared in a deleted tweet that Smith “could have killed” Rock (seriously?), calling it “​​pure out of control rage and violence”. Apatow later confirmed he wasn’t even watching the show when he made the remarks. The radio host Howard Stern compared Smith to Donald Trump, while white women on Twitter somehow decided that Smith’s actions meant he must be beating his wife. It would seem that there’s a layer of hyper-violence that’s being projected on to Smith simply because he is a Black man who was defending his Black wife.

While it’s justifiable – important, even – to interrogate his motives for delivering the slap (was this really all about defending his wife or more about his own ego?), it’s clear that the backlash against Smith is rooted in not just anti-Blackness, but respectability politics as well.

It’s also not just about what Smith did; it’s where he did it and who was watching. Anyone who has been following these shows can see that Smith is being held up to much stricter standards than white men who have behaved just as badly or even worse in those settings. In 1973, John Wayne had to be restrained by six security guards when he tried to rush the stage and attack the Native American actor and activist Sacheen Littlefeather. Littlefeather was on stage to accept the best actor award on behalf of Marlon Brando, who was boycotting the awards in protest at Hollywood’s depictions of Native Americans.

Wayne got to keep his awards after the incident, but pending a review, Smith could very well have his historic best actor win revoked. Mind you, this is the same academy that gave Roman Polanski an award in absentia after he pleaded guilty to a charge of unlawful sex with a minor and fled the country before he could be sentenced. The double standard is glaring.
Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 01:41 pm
@engineer,
The one thing - it is hard to compare John Wayne and Will Smith - in the sense that (right or wrong) things were much different at the time John Wayne pulled his stunt. People (in my opinion wrongly) tolerated this sort of behavior more so the reaction result to me is more of the period in time.

Either way each reaction is not right.

I do find some of what is in this article really strange. My thoughts were nothing like is stated in this article - I never thought Will Smith could have killed Rock. I never associated his actions with being a wife beater and I am a white woman - I almost felt the opposite he was doing this as it felt his wife was hurt and just reacted emotionally against who was causing this.

But like most things - I feel people over think them. This is a guy who his wife has been through a lot medically. She is getting stronger and more confident (including mentally dealing by speaking positively about her hair loss) and here is some bozo bringing her down again. He took a look at his wife's face after this was said - and wham he lost it. He just had a hard time dealing with his wife being hurt - didn't think and reacted.

I wonder if part of the reason that Rock is not pressing charges is he realizes how hurtful his statement was - at the time did not realize it would be so hurtful and now he feels bad about that.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 02:00 pm
@Linkat,
Actually, maybe I'm missing something, but all he said was, "Jada, I love you... GI Jane 2 (or part 2)...can't wait to see it." I don't think it was necessarily a slam at her or her alopecia, if he was even aware of that - many women are going bald these days for some reason - you see them everywhere. Anyway, I didn't take it that way (not that I watched the Oscars - had to look it up)... I took it as a compliment that she looked great. How was that hateful? Maybe if he knew, but do we know he did?
Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 02:45 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

Actually, maybe I'm missing something, but all he said was, "Jada, I love you... GI Jane 2 (or part 2)...can't wait to see it." I don't think it was necessarily a slam at her or her alopecia, if he was even aware of that - many women are going bald these days for some reason - you see them everywhere. Anyway, I didn't take it that way (not that I watched the Oscars - had to look it up)... I took it as a compliment that she looked great. How was that hateful? Maybe if he knew, but do we know he did?


You would not compliment someone in a joke - it was poking fun at someone that was bald - we don't know for 100% if he knew however, she had announced it and seeing he is in the celebrity world it would be reasonable to assume he knew about it.

But to me it was not a matter of whether Chris Rock knew or not knew or meant or did not mean to be hurtful - it was that his joke fell flat and was hurtful to Jada. I do not think Rock meant to be hurtful - but the end result was - it was. And that is why I said he probably feels bad about it now - especially as I doubt he meant it that way.
Mame
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 03:13 pm
@Linkat,
Linkat wrote:

Mame wrote:

Actually, maybe I'm missing something, but all he said was, "Jada, I love you... GI Jane 2 (or part 2)...can't wait to see it." I don't think it was necessarily a slam at her or her alopecia, if he was even aware of that - many women are going bald these days for some reason - you see them everywhere. Anyway, I didn't take it that way (not that I watched the Oscars - had to look it up)... I took it as a compliment that she looked great. How was that hateful? Maybe if he knew, but do we know he did?


You would not compliment someone in a joke - it was poking fun at someone that was bald - we don't know for 100% if he knew however, she had announced it and seeing he is in the celebrity world it would be reasonable to assume he knew about it.

But to me it was not a matter of whether Chris Rock knew or not knew or meant or did not mean to be hurtful - it was that his joke fell flat and was hurtful to Jada. I do not think Rock meant to be hurtful - but the end result was - it was. And that is why I said he probably feels bad about it now - especially as I doubt he meant it that way.


I don't think he intended it that way, either, is what I'm saying. What do I know? I don't know any of these people!

Anyway, it's over - tempest in a teapot.
Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 29 Mar, 2022 03:28 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:



Anyway, it's over - tempest in a teapot.


But it was a source of entertainment for us all
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engineer
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2022 12:36 pm
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar responded to the incident with this editorial.

Will Smith Did a Bad, Bad Thing
Mame
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2022 01:30 pm
@engineer,
Succint and right on the money.
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 30 Mar, 2022 02:08 pm
@Mame,
Ditto.
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