Weird infinity?

Planck units, represent the smallest ‘MEASURABLE’ units in the physical universe, that does not mean that there cannot be smaller unites beyond the BB according to the theory of the contracting universe.

Can science measure the mass of the singularity that existed before the BB, which singularity has become this entire universe?

The Friedmann universe begins with a Big Bang and continues expanding for untold billions of years—that’s the stage we’re in now. But after a long enough period of time, the mutual gravitational attraction of all the matter slows the expansion to a stop. The universe then starts to fall in on itself, replaying the expansion in reverse. Eventually all the matter collapses back into a singularity, in what physicist John Wheeler likes to call the “Big Crunch.”

A singularity is a region of space-time in which matter is crushed so closely together that the gravitational laws explained by general relativity break down. In a singularity, the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite. Scientists believe such a singularity exists at the core of a black hole, which occurs when a super-massive sun reaches the end of its life and implodes.

General relativity also demands such a singularity must exist at the beginning of an expanding universe, from which singularity our eternal oscillating and ever evolving universe is resurrected to continue on in that everlasting process.

So, if there is space beyond the BB it is the unmeasurable time, that the contracting universe takes to pass the point of the BB, until all that exists, is crushed into the singularity of origin, where the volume of space is zero and its density is infinite.

Thank you for your response, and I appreciate your perspective, however, couldn't the BB be a violation of Planck's constants. I would also like to mention, that Planck's constant, say length, is physically unattainable to measure in the real world. Infinities belong in the world of mathematical constructs. Also, the universe is expanding forever - never to rebound.

About 10 billion Years ago, the galaxies began to form into clusters attracted by their Gravitational forces, and although space may be expanding, these galactic clusters are contracting.

A Black Hole is a massive system so centrally condensed that the force of gravity prevents everything within it, even light from escaping. But how many Black Holes are out there in the boundlessness of the eternal cosmos? Nobody knows, science is still coming to grips with Black Holes, which are believed to be at the centre of all Spiral and elliptical galaxies, and Black Holes devour everything of lesser mass that comes in contact with them.
Although today, we have absolute proof that black Holes do exist, much information regarding them remains to be gathered, which future information will hopefully open many windows to shine light on this subject of Black Holes, wormholes, also called Einstein-Rosen bridges and White Holes.

Our Milky Way galaxy is said to be anchored in space by a super Black hole, which has a mass of some three to four million suns, and if you think that’s a big black hole, consider this; “In December of 2019, astronomers announced the discovery of one of the biggest black holes ever measured in the nearby universe. That black hole is at the center of an elliptical galaxy in galaxy cluster Abel 85, and has been calculated to be 40 billion times the mass of our sun, which is equivalent to two-thirds the mass of the 100-billion stars in the Milky Way and is roughly the size of our entire solar system.”

Our Milky Way and the nearby Andromeda Galaxy, which are two spiral galaxies are on a collision course, and when these two spiral galaxies collide, they can merge and form an elliptical galaxy, which elliptical galaxies can collide and merge again to form an even larger elliptical galaxy. The central Black holes of those elliptical galaxies also merge and combine to make one massive Black Hole, and those Massive galaxies, which are called ‘core galaxies’ are believed to be the main attractive force at the center of galactic clusters, which clusters are being attracted to a super Duper gravitational anomaly within the Shapley Super Cluster, which is the largest concentration of galaxies in our nearby universe that forms a gravitational anomaly that is pulling itself together instead of expanding with the universe.

It is believed that pairs of spiral galaxies form elliptical galaxies, pairs of those elliptical galaxies form cored elliptical galaxies, and a pair of cored galaxies formed Holmberg 15A, and that this series of mergers also created the ultra-massive black hole in its center, a monster nearly as big as our solar system with the mass of around 40 billion suns.

Around the Super Black Hole at the centre of our Milky Way Galaxy, orbits many other black holes, which were created from the collapse of Gigantic stars that had formed in the galaxy, or which were once at the centre of other lesser galactic bodies that have merged with ours. There are perhaps twenty small galaxies that orbit the Milky Way, like moths around a flame.
The larger Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Major) and the smaller Magellanic Cloud (Nebecula Minor) are two galaxies that are orbiting our Milky Way galaxy which orbits the central Super Black Hole to which those Magellanic Clouds are being gathered and will one day merge with our galaxy.

The earlier explanations as to a mysterious stream of Gas, which appeared to stretch from them to our galaxy, was the result of gravitational interaction between the two Magellanic clouds, and so, was thought to be coming from them. But researchers from the Leibniz institute for Astrophysics in Germany, taking into account, the best understanding of the diffuse hot Gas that our Milky Way, [Its Corona], couldn’t get that stream of Gas to form, so they came to the conclusion that they simply don’t understand the Milky way’s corona very well. But another possible explanation put forward by them, is that, rather than originating from the Magellanic Clouds, that stream of Gas could be coming from a different Galaxy altogether, which is being devoured, as it plunges into our Milky Way.

Only recently in 2020, scientists witnessed two events ten days apart, of Black Holes devouring neutron stars.

The Super Black Hole at the centre of our being will continue to grow as it devours the other lesser black Holes, dying stars, and planets within this galaxy. And yet our galaxy is but one of billions of galaxies that are falling in toward the super gravitational anomaly that is called the ‘Great Attractor’. And even that which is called the ‘Great Attractor’ is flowing toward the Shapley Supercluster? Is there something at the core of the ever-growing Shapley Supercluster that is pulling all the galaxies in our particular section of this boundless cosmos to itself?

Or is it simply the gravitational attraction of the galaxies to each other that has caused the Shapley concentration to grow to the size it is today and continues to grow, as the other galactic clusters in our region are being gathered to it, while the more distant clusters appear to be accelerating away?

Enoch, from a previous age of man that was destroyed by water, is the only man recorded in the Scriptures to have been carried to the throne of the Most High in the creation, and was anointed as his successor, who was then escorted to the ends of time, where he witnessed the universe burn up and fall as massive columns of fire, beyond all measure in height and depth into the GREAT ABYSS, (Black Hole) which is described by Enoch, as the prison of all the stars and the host of heaven, (The entire universe) beyond which, there was nothing. It was from the words of righteous Enoch and not the Hebrew or Christians bibles, from where Peter received the information as revealed in 2 Peter 3: 10; that the day of the lord will come like a thief. On that day the heavens will disappear with a shrill noise, and the heavenly bodies will burn up and be destroyed, and the earth and everything in it will vanish.

It is believed that the galaxies are gathered together by their own gravitational attraction and will one day become so condensed and concentrated that they too will begin to devour each other until only one remains. Then the elements within that super massive body of unapproachable light, will become extremely excited, and will burn, and roll up as a scroll with a great hissing noise as it spirals into the centrally condensed system, from which nothing, absolutely nothing can escape, where that energised body will be torn to pieces molecule by molecule, atom by atom, sub-atomic particle by sub-atomic particle, and re-converted into the photons from which they were created, and in my opinion, accelerated along the dark worm hole, or Einstein Rosen bridge, to speeds far, far in excess of the speed of light, where that most infinitely dense, infinitely hot, infinitesimally small singularity trapped at the end of the worm hole, is spatially separated and the infinitely hot super lubricant liquid-like Electromagnetic energy, it is spewed out of a WHITE HOLE (A tear in the membrane of space time) in the trillions and trillions of degrees, somewhere far beyond the visible horizon of the boundless cosmos, where, from the cooling quantum of that electromagnetic energy, that universe is resurrected, and the light from its new position in space-time, far beyond the visible cosmic horizon, would never be able to reach its old position in Space-Time.

But you must believe what you choose to believe, that is your God given right.

Science is based on experiment. If you can't describe the experiments used to test a scientific concept, then you don't understand the concept.

You are using scientific terminology like "Planck length". It is pretty clear from reading what you wrote that you don't at all understand the experiments behind this important concept in Physics.

I have no problem with you making up philosophical concepts that have nothing to do with actual science. It just gets a little confusing when you use scientific terms to describe them.

There is no mathematical proof of infinity. It is a math conjecture for limits and calculus. It is at the very most, an approximation and speculation. Infinity is a conjecture that has never been proved!

There is no scientific theory still in existence that has been proven beyond a shadow of doubt, until it has been proved, it will remain forever a theory. If you choose to believe any one particular theory, you must believe it on faith and faith alone, for tomorrow new data may be discovered that will blow that theory to pieces.

Myself, I believe in infinity, I believe that Energy cannot be created and can never be destroyed, and that eternal energy, that has neither beginning or end, is all that exists, even though it APPEARS today as this physical cosmos.

Anointed is correct. Science doesn't "prove" theories (at least not "beyond a shadow of a doubt).

What makes a scientific theory is that it can be tested. In order for a scientific theory to have merit, you need to be able to explain an experimental result that would prove it wrong. And they you need to run the experiment or experiments to see if this happens.

The law of conservation of energy (that "energy cannot be created and can never be destroyed") is a perfect example of this. It is pretty obvious that you could disprove this by showing energy created... and if any scientist ever shows that energy is being created in an experiment, that will be the end of it.

So far this theory has survived (with some need for clarification in Quantum Mechanic).

That isn't true.

1. For every integer, you can get another integer by adding one to it.

Accepting this axiom, the proof for infinity is obvious.

I say you have no idea what you're talking about. You are clusous about what taking about. Nothing more to say to ignore.

Thank you. Nothing much more t0 enlighten you - fools!

Oh darn! And I so much wanted to be enlightened.

It's very easy to criticize, but very hard to imagine.

So stop criticizing then.

You are a silly person.

I don't believe you know how to speculate and imagine - said. Now, please do not respond to my Topics. I'm not interested in your comments or opinions. I am using "thought", not "theories".

Do you consider your posts to be about science?

Science is based on experiment. Science is not about speculation... it is about ideas that can be tested through experiment and observation. If you cant test your idea, then it isn't science.

You are using science terms which is what brought me to this thread.

If this isn't a science thread, make that clear and I will likely stay away. I was a science teacher and know actual Physics (i e. The kind you would learn if you took Phyics in college). Science threads (and sadly threads pretending to be scientific) get my attention.

You've got my attention, Mr. Max. You are right, speculations and conjectures do not belong in the realm of science. All apologies.

You are misunderstanding the point. This is how science works.

1) You start with a body of knowledge, and maybe a problem (something that it is clear we don't understand).

2) You make a hypothesis. This can be a guess, a speculation or a conjecture. Generally you want to base your speculation on existing knowledge (or at least make sure it explains the experimental results that are already known).

3) You test your hypothesis. This means asking "if my hypothesis is wrong, how would I know". You need to develop experiments that would disprove your hypothesis and then run these experiments. If you can disprove your hypothesis, then it is wrong... if you can't, then maybe you have something.

4) You publish your hypothesis and your experimental results. At this point other people get to disprove your hypothesis. Your experiment needs to be reproduced by other people, and other people develop new experiments to test (i.e. disprove) your hypothesis.

5) After you have published, and other people have run your experiment, and other people have criticized your work and other people have run their own experiments... if no one has disproved your hypothesis.

Then it becomes an accepted theory.

Thank you for making me a little wiser. As I've always said, "No matter how smart you think you are, you still need a teacher." Although I'm 69 years old, I've studied many advanced courses in physics. I suppose my words are sim[ly thoughts expressed in this particular forum. I'll have to study this site and decide whether to stay or go.