Robot patrols for safe distancing in Singapore

@edgarblythe,

That's cool... but, I was a little disappointed we didn't get to see the laser gun in action.

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@maxdancona,

It would be neat in a Robocop movie.

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Girls always fall for authority figures

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Of course the ones prone to panic need be weeded out:

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All humans must self-isolate...

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Girls always fall for authority figures

Even when they don't pay?

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@livinglava,

No, especially. Would you boink Louis Gohmert willingly for free? Donnie Trump? McConnell? I bet you wouldn't, you have too much self respect for that. If I were a woman, I sure wouldn't.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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No, especially. Would you boink Louis Gohmert willingly for free? Donnie Trump? McConnell? I bet you wouldn't, you have too much self respect for that. If I were a woman, I sure wouldn't.

I think you missed my point, which is that the only thing attractive about authority is the power/money you can usurp by manipulating such people to use them.

Egotism and authority are a bad mixture.

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@livinglava,

Finally, something you and I have complete agreement on.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

Finally, something you and I have complete agreement on.

Only you are a person whose egotism leads you to accuse every authority you disagree with for partisan reasons of egotism and deny it in anyone whose politics you do agree with.

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@livinglava,

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Only you are a person whose egotism

Just cannot keep your egotism keep you from being judgemental for a second.

And you wonder why others don't want anything to do with you. Its only egotism when I disagree with you. But its not egotism when you disagree with everyone else. I get sick of your opinions supposing to be the end all of every single discussion you crash and turn into personal slams. If you speak nonsense, it may be your right to make nonsense argument, but it is my right to call them what they are: word salads.

For the record I also have huge problems with robots enforcing laws. But I do believe in enforcement of laws. If you break them as a matter of conscience, which I have, I've always been willing to face the law as part of the test. That's the American way. That's what appeals courts and finally what the SCOTUS is all about. Your ilk thinks all you need to do is to break the law and yell "Constitutional Rights!" as some sort of "ally ally in free", ignoring everyone else's rights to pursuit of happiness and equal protection under the law. You act as if the rule of law is somehow separate from the Constitution when with out the Constitution law is merely disorganized rules that individually may be good or bad.

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@bobsal u1553115,

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Only you are a person whose egotism

Just cannot keep your egotism keep you from being judgemental for a second.

Why don't you read the entire context of what I said instead of just reacting to a single word?

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And you wonder why others don't want anything to do with you.

I don't wonder because I see their biases in how they think and write. I just try to appeal to their better judgment in hopes they will rise to a higher level of discourse than the petty, partisan, interpersonal egotism that goes on in these discussions all the time.

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Its only egotism when I disagree with you. But its not egotism when you disagree with everyone else.

Egotism has a specific meaning. It's not just something you call someone for dissenting from the shared opinions of others.

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I get sick of your opinions supposing to be the end all of every single discussion you crash and turn into personal slams.

I don't assume there is an end to any, let alone every single discussion. I think there are always further levels of clarity, understanding, and further reasoning to do when people are able to put their egos/biases/partisanship aside (or at least acknowledge them )in order to move on with discussion between different POVs instead of infighting.

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If you speak nonsense, it may be your right to make nonsense argument, but it is my right to call them what they are: word salads.

You just toss words around because you think they are powerful weapons. I don't know if you are actually capable of thought/reasoning beyond propaganda that attacks an enemy party.

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For the record I also have huge problems with robots enforcing laws. But I do believe in enforcement of laws. If you break them as a matter of conscience, which I have, I've always been willing to face the law as part of the test. That's the American way.

You've been fed some authoritarian propaganda about accepting the consequences of breaking rules. The American way is about liberty, which means governing yourself responsibly so that others don't need to govern you. When you disagree with a law and you can't justify following it for ethical reasons, whether you are willing to face the law or not is moot, just as it was moot whether or not anyone in history who has ever been persecuted by unjust laws was willing to face them or not. The only question is whether you are brave enough to stick to your truth through the entire crucifixion process and, since none of us are Jesus, we all are bound to fail and then may God have mercy on our souls while the bad guys take out their egotism on our condemned bodies.

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That's what appeals courts and finally what the SCOTUS is all about. Your ilk thinks all you need to do is to break the law and yell "Constitutional Rights!" as some sort of "ally ally in free", ignoring everyone else's rights to pursuit of happiness and equal protection under the law. You act as if the rule of law is somehow separate from the Constitution when with out the Constitution law is merely disorganized rules that individually may be good or bad.

You should be careful justifying the law as a general matter of principle as you are doing here, because you will not be happy when someone is using the law to persecute you at the institutional level and citing what you say here as evidence of hypocrisy and thus rationalization of even more merciless persecution.

As I recall, you are a Christian, so why don't you stop pretending like the institutions of this world are perfect and instead acknowledge that we are all bearing crosses and thus in need of mercy and grace?

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@livinglava,

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As I recall, you are a Christian, so why don't you stop pretending like the institutions of this world are perfect and instead acknowledge that we are all bearing crosses and thus in need of mercy and grace?

The institutions are not perfect, but Christ did say to render unto Ceasar, so we do under G*d have some obligation to the state. This is where conscience comes in: we can break the laws to test them, this is something that exists just about only in the American Constitution. But if we except the protections of the Constitution we also have the obligation to accept the consequences. If I avoid the draft I may go to jail. I accept that consequence because I know the resistance of others have in the following years eased the punishment and public perception of conscientious objection.

But even this show how one's opinions can change: I was against the draft in principle for actions not a declared war. I enlisted after I burned my draft card to work against the "war" in Viet Nam and to be able to state my opinon against the war at my father's dinner table. In the Navy I served honorably in the silent service, had security clearances and was honorably discharged. And I changed my mind about the the "draft".

I believe every citizen between 18 and 30 needs to put two years into national service - armed forces or public service with no exemption past physical or mental disability. Even those who pick up litter are performing public service. In return there is further education: collage, trade school etc. There would also be creation of further four year academies parallel to the military academies that would count as the two years service for statecraft, government service, social service.

My thoughts a lot more nuanced than you give me credit for.

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so why don't you stop pretending like the institutions of this world are perfect

Don't you ever feel a little bit embarrassed about how badly you speak about people?

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

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As I recall, you are a Christian, so why don't you stop pretending like the institutions of this world are perfect and instead acknowledge that we are all bearing crosses and thus in need of mercy and grace?

The institutions are not perfect, but Christ did say to render unto Ceasar, so we do under G*d have some obligation to the state.

It's not that you have an obligation or not. It's that we have to live in the world but not be of the world. Cooperating with evil, with in institutional/structural form or in some other form, is a form of sin, but like other sin, it is tempting and we sometimes fall to it. You do your best to resist temptation, and when you can't you pray for forgiveness, mercy, and grace while confessing and repenting to God.

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This is where conscience comes in: we can break the laws to test them, this is something that exists just about only in the American Constitution. But if we except the protections of the Constitution we also have the obligation to accept the consequences. If I avoid the draft I may go to jail. I accept that consequence because I know the resistance of others have in the following years eased the punishment and public perception of conscientious objection.

Every situation is unique. I don't think you can generalize in the way you're trying to here.

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I believe every citizen between 18 and 30 needs to put two years into national service - armed forces or public service with no exemption past physical or mental disability. Even those who pick up litter are performing public service. In return there is further education: collage, trade school etc. There would also be creation of further four year academies parallel to the military academies that would count as the two years service for statecraft, government service, social service.

My thoughts a lot more nuanced than you give me credit for.

I think you're looking for validation instead of just discussing what you have to discuss. Suddenly you toss in the topic of drafts and obligatory civil service. We are not politicians who have to defend all our defend views to establish ourselves as total candidates in the public view. We are just posters on a discussion forum with the opportunity to discuss things from our differing points of view.

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so why don't you stop pretending like the institutions of this world are perfect

Don't you ever feel a little bit embarrassed about how badly you speak about people?

I didn't speak bad of you by telling you to stop pretending like the institutions of this world are perfect.

All I did was call you on something you were doing wrong in my opinion and give you my reasoning so you would be able to see for yourself whether you agree instead of just having to take my word for it.

In Christ all sin is forgiven, so criticism isn't for the sake of putting people down but for the sake of raising awareness. I am not perfect, so I get dragged down into the muck-slinging like everyone else, but I pray that God raise us all up to a higher level of discourse somehow.

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@livinglava,

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In Christ all sin is forgiven, so criticism isn't for the sake of putting people down but for the sake of raising awareness.

That's a terribly cynical way of dealing with sin and the Father. Shocking really. You can do whatever you want so long s you get forgiven? What about repenting? Going and trying to sin no more. You make prayer for forgiveness sound like a version saying the secret word and the Kingdom will be opened to you. I'd be very surprised if you went to your preacher and asked "if I bear false witness about someone knowing its false with the intention of asking forgiveness, that's alright - he'd agree.

All sins are forgiven but one. Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. An example of this is someone sinning knowing its wrong depending on forgiveness to clear his soul. Its also an example of daring G*d to save you from condemnation: "tempt not the Lord, thy G*d."

If its wrong and you know its wrong, its wrong. Speaking purely for myself, I never feel enlightened by your putdowns even when you make them "to enlighten" me.

Please allow me to send you a Luther's Small Catechism as a gift. Its the basis of the Protestant Church and its been around for about 500 years.

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@bobsal u1553115,

bobsal u1553115 wrote:

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In Christ all sin is forgiven, so criticism isn't for the sake of putting people down but for the sake of raising awareness.

That's a terribly cynical way of dealing with sin and the Father. Shocking really. You can do whatever you want so long s you get forgiven?

Do have trouble understanding what you read or are you intentionally spinning what I write to mean something else?

What I'm saying is that if I tell you or anyone else something that is critical of them, it is not for the sake of ridicule/condemnation; i.e. because we are all saved "while we were yet sinners."

Once we realize we are saved, we can go on with the task of rebuking and disciplining sin without the aim of condemnation. In other words, the goal of criticism is to elucidate, not put down or condemn.

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What about repenting?

Repenting is important. If you just confessed sin and didn't repent, you'd be boasting about it.

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Going and trying to sin no more.

St. Paul says somewhere (I'm not going to google the verse right now) whether being forgiven and saved means we should just go on sinning to get more and more forgiveness; and he rebukes that. Obviously the purpose of forgiveness is to save people from the feeling of being damned and thus condemned to sin for eternity.

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You make prayer for forgiveness sound like a version saying the secret word and the Kingdom will be opened to you. I'd be very surprised if you went to your preacher and asked "if I bear false witness about someone knowing its false with the intention of asking forgiveness, that's alright - he'd agree.

We are already saved, not by any works/deeds/efforts on our own part, but because of Christ's sacrifice. So once you accept that, then you accept that you are a sinner in God's corrective hands and we are works in progress, but we should put all our effort into serving His process of redemption for us, though we are imperfect and fall short the way children fall short when they are trying to keep up with schoolwork or other discipline they must undergo to reach maturity.

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All sins are forgiven but one. Blasphemy of the Holy Ghost. An example of this is someone sinning knowing its wrong depending on forgiveness to clear his soul. Its also an example of daring G*d to save you from condemnation: "tempt not the Lord, thy G*d."

I think blasphemy of Holy Spirit is just outright rejection of the possibility of being saved, i.e. if you reject belief/faith in forgiveness, how can you accept forgiveness for your own sins? We have to acknowledge the power of Holy Spirit to forgive and redeem us us in order to receive it, because we have to have the choice to deny our salvation and thus condemn ourselves to ignorance/darkness of the good news.

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If its wrong and you know its wrong, its wrong. Speaking purely for myself, I never feel enlightened by your putdowns even when you make them "to enlighten" me.

Maybe you should try reading the complete meaning of the sentence instead of just reacting to the emotional feeling of getting back some of your own medicine. Realize that I don't pro-actively attack you, but rather I just respond in kind to things you say to me that are hostile or when you post hostile attacks on Trump, which hurt the heart vicariously whether it's about Trump or anyone else who is being systematically scapegoated by so many people for so long.

You should notice that when we talk Christianity, I honor your faith and respect what you're saying even if my POV differs, i.e. because I feel that you are speaking sincerely and not playing games with scripture the way some people here try to do.

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Please allow me to send you a Luther's Small Catechism as a gift. Its the basis of the Protestant Church and its been around for about 500 years.

Thanks for reminding me about it again. I'm sure it will occur to me to google it and read it online sometime. Thanks for the offer to send but saving paper saves trees and saving trees helps restore the biosphere/climate.

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@edgarblythe,

I was hoping that Spot would piss on anyone not keeping their distance <disappointed> and one metre? not far enough

I guess I'm going to continue carrying a pointed stick, a glare and my patented backoff hand flap (which works surprisingly well).

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@ehBeth,

I start coughing. It works pretty good, too.

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