To Some Conservatives

Dividing the world up into "friends" and "enemies" is dumb, and it's even stupider during a pandemic.

Thhats not the tone he used, like you guys believing that sub- Q'ing disinfectants was being sarcastic. Qhen he said it h was talking about the "Vry near someday" as in trying to decide on a date in the very ner future. I listened to that shitball giving us another pile.
Youre excuses for him are rally weak

well we have this "murmuration" of independents who really swung the clapper for Trump in those key"rust belt states" in 2016. Polls show that Bien is ahead like 57% and Trump is at 40% . Now with the MoE at about +/- 5 to 7 . Biens is still ahad. BUT, were in the spring of the election yer.Lots cn hppen and TRUMP was really good at diverting our attention away from his own public mischief . and how his promises for job building havent really been delivered. With 30% projcted unemployment down the near road, I dont know who in their right mind would want to be president . His GOP cronies are slowly breaking ranks with him for some of the really dumass things he toots each day

No, your paraphrasing was not accurate. You claim that president Trump said, "it will all just fade away like magic." What he actually said was, "One day it's like a miracle – it will disappear." Your omission of the phrase "one day" is critical. The way you phrased it, it sounds like he's saying that maybe sometime soon between one moment and the next it will vanish. This would be an extremely foolish statement, but he didn't say it. He said that it will disappear one day and, far from being foolish, it's undeniably true, given my previous definition of disappear. What he was saying was along the lines of, "Someday we'll be able to look back on this and...<fill in preferred text>."

He said, "One day it's like a miracle – it will disappear." This is undeniably true. One day everything will disappear, at least if disappear means disappear as a major problem. You're just wrong.

You say this with no evidence whatever that my position is bs, which makes it a cheap shot. I'm sure you don't want to do all the tiresome work of backing up anything you say, but I'll ask you anyway to demonstrate that something I said was bs. If you can't then I think the value of your accusation will be perfectly clear.

Oh, I must have missed that. I thought he said, "one day." Would you be so kind as to include the link where he said "Very near someday?"

Sighhhhhhhh......You worked awfully hard to make it appear engineer was wrong, but Trump said both what engineer said, and your quote from Trump is accurate as well. Trump likes fairy tale explanations, It's not going to dissaprar as if it is a miracle nor will it disappear like magic. Sixty thousand dead in 2 months, we all should be looking for solutions instead of excuses.

China is a communist country. Civil rights there are nothing like what Americans would imagine. Millions of women undergo abortion ordered by the government. There are thousands of religious prisoners. The first doctor to communicate about the coronacirus to medical staff outside Wuhan disappeared. But word got out anyway, Immediately, all foreign journalists were ordered out of China. That was before there wers any confirmed cases off coronavirus outside China.

China has a long history of lying for expediency's sake. Dating back to 1348, the Black Death, global pandemics have come from China. They refuse to do anything to keep the rest of the world safe. Rather, millions of people continue to die!
The Spanish flu of 1918 did not start in China. But all global pandemics simce the 1970s did, and even back to the 60s. They know how to stop it, but they refuse to do it! Trump wants China to cover the costs of China's negligence. It's nothing less than attacking the world with biological weapons.
And there is no reason for it!
I was looking on line, and maybe someone here knows a link. You'd think this would be simple. I'm looking for something Trump has done, that is supported by rational evidence, that is related to his job description as President, and that is also against the law. I just can't find anything.

As does just about every country's government.

Nope. The ME in MERS stands for the Middle East. AIDS and Ebola were from Africa. Animal to human virus transmission can happen anywhere in the world. There are 1.5 million bats living under a bridge in Austin, TX. Better stay clear.

Nor could you find anything that the government of China did that is against their laws. That's the point. Lying, avoiding the truth, failing to protect citizens, not illegal and also not restricted to one country. If you want links to US politicians misleading the public as they were briefed on the growing pandemic, they are in previous posts. I'm not saying that Chinese officials are saints, just that they are human and doing the exact same thing as their US counterparts. Let the Chinese hold their officials accountable, you hold yours. Ignoring US failings to blame someone else is a recipe for repeated failures as a country.

Its interesting that, from where your political world lies, he cannot say anything wrong , even when he implied with the way he spoke. All his repeats of the same speech always included 'Soon ,as in the "warm days of spring". You make it appear that "somday was in the distant future. I think mpst people undertsood the "waarm days of spring" to be this year. How you could interpret it ifferently I can understand how your prsident has got you unable to speak straight.

And don't forget about all the babies reacting to him.

you can complain about others paraphrasing when YOU stop paraphrasing.

easy peasy

Yeah. A columnist working at The Economist argues that some conservatives don't subscribe to Trump's policies. They want to take a stand in spite of Trump's objections.

My reply to someone who slagged Mike Pence off for not wearing a mask . He had made such comments elsewhere on a Chinese website. I think he has a point when it comes to doubting Mike Pence's ability to think like a sobersides.

"I just want to say that whether Mike Pence is a "plucky" vice president or simply an ignoramus is still a moot point for conservatives. Lots of obdurate conservatives are still unfazed by reports that claim people who opt to not to wear masks outside are prone to this virus. Some TV news anchors working at Fox News reportedly also tried to dissuade people from wearing masks weeks ago; they only changed their minds after being admonished by several well-regarded experts like Fauci appearing on Fox News.


Yet to Fauci's consternation, America still has lots of balky people scrambling to rationalize their decision not to wear masks, saying "such moves would demoralize the American people." I remember one of them saying "We are all valorous fighters ; only timid souls would wear masks."

Mike Pence may have chosen not to wear it in order to gin up the faithful during his visit of that hospital, trying to convey a message that he or Trump is an intrepid leader who is not aghast at the possibility of getting afflicted by Covid-19. A disciple of Nietzscheanism would call such people "supermen."

I don't think either Mike Pence nor Trump is a superman. They are both crave solipsists besotted with the idea of using their prerogatives to protect their own financial and political interests. Using incendiary rhetoric is also a way for them to bolster Trump's base while giving them a chance to nudge most American voters to scant other critical issues. In some respects, Trump knows that lots of conservatives cluck over or even eulogize Trump's propensity to castigate foreign leaders and let them hold the bag for Trump's own ineptitude and hubris. That's just Trump's stock-in-trade.

For this reason I'd hazard a guess that Trump and his minions' attacks on China won't show sign of abating in months to come. Beyond that, Joe Biden will find himself targeted for opprobrium by Trump: Trump's mouthpiece Fox News has already done that with the help of Tara Reade. It's worrisome that a liberal publication like The New York Times even laced into Biden's team for trying to nobble its coverage of this case. That being said, I still can't hold me back from laughing when some talking heads working at Fox News claim that their network can be trusted since their reporting is fair-based. Has Fox News ever done a thing like this? What a hoot!

Whether Trump's strenuous efforts to denigrate Biden can do the trick pivots on the response of the general public about Trump's handling of Covid-19 and America's economy. If most Americans still wring their hands about the threat of Covid-19 and air grievances about rising unemployment a few months later , then Joe Biden may be able to cash in on this to defeat Trump. On the other hand, there is no guarantee that Joe Biden will outfox Trump's strategists who don't quail at the suggestion of employing underhanded tactics designed to sully Biden's reputation and eviscerate his campaign.

Above all, Trump has a fox called Fox News backing him up. Maybe Biden's supporters could set up another channel called Hunter News to snare the fox.

For our own personal loathing for Trump's wickedness and abuses of power, there is no denying his smear campaign seems to have gained traction in America, according to the latest Pew survey, which shows that a record 66 per cent of Americans take against China and anti-China sentiment has reached a new level. Most hardliners, emboldened by Tara Reade's accusation against Joe Biden, seem to seize on this chance to importune Trump to come on strong and beef up America's global alliances with its allies in Europe or Asia, of which India plays a critical role, according to a book written by Rory Medcalf. In this book, which is entitled "Indo-Pacific Empire", Rory Medcalf argues that China braces for some daunting challenges posed by " a web of alliances centred on the “Quad” of India, Japan, Australia and the US, but also taking in a crescent of maritime states in eastern, south-eastern and southern Asia," in the words of Jeremy Cliffe, who's an influential journalist in Britain.



Put it another way, the real threat facing China is not Trump's intention to blow smoke but his supporters' contention that it's time for Western nations and their Asian friends to gang up on China, using their growing alliances to deter China from exerting its influence internationally. Beyond that, they also yearn to use such alliances to debilitate Chinese companies' efforts to augment its international clout by snapping up foreign companies-which is to say more investment restrictions against Chinese companies.

It's just a throwback to the era during which America and the old Soviet Union slugged it out for global leadership. The only difference is economic issues are going to pack a punch. not just a nation's military build-up like what the old Soviet Union did back to the 80s. No big nation on earth is able to conquer all the other big nations without incurring colossal costs unless you have nonpareil weapons produced by aliens. And that's still a mirage for America and China.

No such wickedness or abuse of power.

Perhaps you were referring to the Democrats and their abuse of the law to persecute anyone who disagrees with them?

You are talking about the Ukraine imbroglio or Trump's deep connections with Russia. I'd say he is guilty, period.

Some recalcitrant conservatives or Trump's supporters, who make a point of kvetching about being "hornswoggled" by China, don't actually care about the origins of Covid-19; they just use it as a compelling narrative of their "gallant" efforts to declaim against China's "abuses" and American liberals' "timorous" efforts to abide by the rules laid down by China rather than decrying it. Translation: their campaign has two purposes targeting American voters. One is to please China hawks who happen to be staunch supporters of Trump by pining blame on China for being a dilatory responder; the other is to proselytize their view that Joe Biden and liberals in America are content to pander to China's propaganda. That's why Trump and his supporters slapped down CNN-which often scoffs at Trump's tomfoolery-forthwith after it ran a show in which it extolled China's full-scale war against the threat of Covid-19 nationwide. That's why they paint liberals as sympathisers of China instead of genuine Americans standing up for America's interests. Trump, who's enamoured of factionalism, truly knows how to stoke nationalism when the chips are down.

This campaign also is designed to drive a wedge between China and foreign nations. I'd venture to say that some Chinese nationalists are apt to act like malcontents when foreigners take issue with them. Case in point: some irate netizens living in Thailand and China were even embroiled in an online dust-up weeks ago after someone called a girl living in Taiwan a hottie from Taiwan instead of China. From where I sit, Chinese nationalists would be well advised not to carp at such trifling matters; what folly to niggle foreigners who have no knowledge of Chinese history. Or you could reason with foreigners instead of taking potshots at them; upbraiding such foreigners would only incite hatred against China. Likewise, they 'd be better off shrugging them off if they are disinclined to buy into the standpoint of the Chinese.

Anyway, we have to use our brains instead of relying on our passions when we come to terms with vexed issues. If history is any guide, knowledge and reason prevail at last.