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Reply Wed 12 Feb, 2020 05:04 pm
How do I show a single state trying to cross a potential well has less frequency oscillation instead of more?

Holographic Mass, frequency oscillation, and when forces intervene are all major suspects in this investigation.

Holographic Mass: quantum wave mass in the form of information
https://scitechdaily.com/gravity-mysteries-we-may-have-had-fundamental-nature-of-the-universe-wrong-this-whole-time/

Mass in usual potential well equations is not physical mass. That is why I bring up holographic particles. They are unobserved and might be the missing piece.

<a|a> =1
post operations wavefunction
a*c0 <0|0>
c0 = 1, c1 = 0
<0|0>=1
the single state can be fed into potential well

That single state is the same as an observed particle, decoherence. And with it comes the inability to tunnel. Does it naturally have a frequency of ground state? You need energy to tunnel so without frequency oscillation from a wave ..it isn't going to go anywhere.

The kinetic energy is open to forces (because it is a single state - observed) and the mass is physical, so the potential well acts on it. Kinetic energy is constant if it was a quantum wave. Unobserved quantum waves are immune to forces.

Is this frequency oscillation I'm asking about the same thing as "Quantum Harmonic Oscillation"? And that zero point vibration, uncertainty, isn't enough to allow a classical particle (normalized single state) to tunnel?

Symmetry is related to forces, so is there a connection to a difference between coherence and decoherence?

Non-zero probability is a wave only activity. A particle in duality is not going to tunnel because the quantum field only has the ability to make it ageless at that point.

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In more detail, the calculations show that if atoms are treated as classical particles, that is, as simple points in space, many distortions of the structure tend to lower the energy of the system.

https://scitechdaily.com/record-superconductor-sustained-by-atomic-quantum-fluctuations/


My goal is an equation that says observed particles do not tunnel. No, you only assume a physical particle has tunneled. Observing a particle after it has ended its journey is not causing it to decohere in flight. It wasn't physical in flight. Nature didn't consider it observation.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 06:32 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
Is there proof that a decohered wave is still a wave? I know I said "wave", but I suspect it isn't anymore at that point. The quantum field still has influence on the now physical particle. It doesn't have the ability to perform quantum weirdness events.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Thu 13 Feb, 2020 09:25 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
Duality at all stages of a particles life is a misconception.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 09:11 am
@pittsburghjoe,
The answer seems to be that the wave function was never involved. If a particle is going to be physical, it will be so from start to finish.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 10:17 am
@pittsburghjoe,
https://imgur.com/yBUX2DS

https://ncatlab.org/nlab/show/classical+state
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 10:34 am
@pittsburghjoe,
or is duality a Density Matrix? (mixed states)

https://imgur.com/NYrW0KS
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 15 Feb, 2020 01:54 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
It is either a particle Or a wave, not both at the same time. The quantum field does still have the power to make it ageless and wobble when a particle. Duality is dead.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Mon 17 Feb, 2020 05:26 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
If a quantum wave needs to be physical from point A to B, any state change during the flight will initiate physicality automatically. The wave would now be a particle. If the wave needs to be real to keep our reality convincing, then it will be real/physical. Observation is not needed for the swap.

The quantum field doesn't allow waves to age. The life of a wave is known before starting. The particle is going to be either a wave or particle the entire flight. Duality is not necessary to describe the quantum world anymore.

A measurement well after after the double slit shows the entire life of that particle is known via state. The final panel is the exception because the wave will collapse, what matters is what a wave/particle is while in flight.

I think this holds the starting math to send an observed particle into a potential well equation, which would be the proof I need. I want it to be reflected. So if you know how to feed a reflection equation, it would be just as good.
https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1742-6596/67/1/012041/pdf
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Tue 18 Feb, 2020 05:02 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
How does the observed version of the double slit experiment get by without supported math?

I'm considering the wave function isn't being used for observed particles ..because the particle might not be a wave at that point.

It's a classical trajectory with wobble from uncertainty. It's not a wave, but gets wobble from the quantum field influencing it.

Send a classical particle into a three dimensional potential well. 0 Probability of it tunneling.

https://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/315/Waveshtml/node95.html

Ψ = 0 outside of the well

I should probably add that the quantum field doesn't use time from spacetime. Unobserved quantum waves do not age. This is how it knows if a state was triggered in the particles path before launching it. This is what "observation" is.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Thu 20 Feb, 2020 04:30 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
Future observed matter-waves decohere before they start moving because their momentum direction triggers decoherence.

A measurement far after the double slit experiment shows the entire life/path of the particle is known via state. The final panel is the exception because the wave will collapse, what matters is what a wave/particle is while in flight.

It's either a wave OR a physical particle. It's possible for a wave to make it from point A to B without being measured before the final screen. That's why it shows fringes. You don't get quantum weirdness (Superposition (not talking about superposition of states), Entanglement, Tunneling) events when it's a particle. They don't experience weirdness after decoherence. Only cohered waves are allowed weirdness events.

There is a clear difference of what a particle is with decoherence. I suspect it is classical when decohered and might not be using the wave function. The quantum field is responsible for uncertainty and still has influence on physical particles ..making them wobble.

Measurements done after the fact (hitting the final panel) have no barring on what the particle was in flight.

The quantum field doesn't use time from spacetime. Unobserved quantum waves do not age. This is how the quantum field knows if a state was triggered in the particles life/path before launching it. This is the core of what measurement/observation is.

A particle/wave will be what it is throughout the flight. No Duality.

This is the gateway to the Unified Theory. Physical particles go with GR, Unobserved Quantum Waves go with the Quantum Field. Spacetime is separate from the Quantum Field. There is a quantum/classical boundary around the mass of a virus. Objects above this line are automatically decohered.

Unobserved Matter-Waves do not decay. Also, physical particles (observed) do not tunnel. The math involves a "retarded" Schrodinger equation solution with a damping factor that causes the state vector to not be constant. It is an observable, since it is a hermitian operator and its eigenvectors form a basis of the state space. Hooray for dissipative behavior! The delayed choice quantum eraser also shows the entire path of the particle is known before being launched.

Future observed matter-waves decohere before they start moving because their momentum direction triggers decoherence. (Decay of coherence)
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 01:16 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
A measurement far after the double slit experiment shows the entire life/path(indirectly) of the particle is known via state. The final panel is the exception because the wave will collapse, what matters is what a wave/particle is while in flight.

It's either a wave OR a physical particle(local). It's possible for a wave to make it from point A to B without being measured before the final screen. That's why it shows fringes. You don't get quantum weirdness (Superposition (not talking about superposition of states), Entanglement, Tunneling) events when it's a particle. They don't experience weirdness after decoherence. Only cohered waves are allowed weirdness events.

There is a clear difference of what a particle is with decoherence. The quantum field is responsible for uncertainty and still has influence on physical particles ..making them wobble for fringe tests, in this case it isn't fringe, you are looking at uncertainty. You don't decohere a wave (with a detector) and then expect to find fringes afterwards.

Measurements done after the fact (hitting the final panel) have no barring on what the particle was in flight.

The quantum field doesn't use time from spacetime. Unobserved quantum waves do not age. This is how the quantum field knows if a state was triggered in the particles life/path before launching it. This is the core of what measurement/observation is.

A particle/wave will be what it is throughout the flight. No Duality.

This is the gateway to the Unified Theory. Physical particles go with GR, Unobserved Quantum Waves go with the Quantum Field. Spacetime is separate from the Quantum Field. There is a quantum/classical boundary around the mass of a virus. Objects above this line are automatically decohered.

Unobserved Matter-Waves do not decay. Also, physical particles (observed) do not tunnel. The math involves a "retarded" Schrodinger equation solution with a damping factor that causes the state vector to not be constant. It is an observable, since it is a hermitian operator and its eigenvectors form a basis of the state space. Hooray for dissipative behavior! This behavior is what prevents an observed particle from tunneling. Unobserved quantum waves are immune to forces when trying to tunnel ..physical particles are not. There are constants involved that are not touched by forces when the object is waves.

The delayed choice quantum eraser also shows the entire path of the particle is known before being launched.

Future observed matter-waves decohere before they start moving because their momentum direction triggers decoherence. (Decay of coherence) http://othes.univie.ac.at/30192/1/2013-07-28_0747803.pdf

Observation isn't possible without time from spacetime https://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.3591.pdf

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"Okay, perhaps you could define for me exactly what it means to decohere a particle?"


Measure it in a way that allows it to continue on its path to a final panel where the wave collapses

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"But if the wave hasn't collapsed into a particle yet (using your terms) then how does it have a "path"?"


If a wave is going to decohere in its path ..it won't be a wave from the very beginning.

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"So if a wave ever collapses into a particle then it was never a wave to begin with?"


That's what I said in the OP

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"Can you explain what a quantum field is? Or more specifically, can you explain how the definition of a field doesn't completely contradict your statements like "The quantum field doesn't use time from spacetime" or "Unobserved quantum waves do not age"?"


The Quantum Field is the group of fields that run on fluctuations.

Something is weird with time in the quantum field. It is connected to the trigger of something gaining a physical state. The age part is said because coherent matter-waves do not decay ..it's only after they decohere and become physical do they age.

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"The Schrodinger equation describes how wave functions "age". It applies even before decoherence."


Not the same type of "age". Everything about waves is artificial. I think they are holograms/virtual, they hold quantum information. If an unobserved matter wave can tunnel ..so can its mass.

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"Where does the dissipative behavior come from?"


The behavior is built into the "retarded" function https://arxiv.org/pdf/quant-ph/0206117.pdf

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"If quantum waves are immune to forces, then why do electron orbitals in atoms--which are most definitely waves--exist?"


They don't have a point A to B ..they don't have a starting point

They are unreal/virtual/holographic waves

oh any by the way, Dark Matter is quantum waves that can never be decohered.

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I don't agree with "A measurement far after the double slit experiment shows the entire life/path of the particle is known via state."


The path is known indirectly. It's a natural process, there isn't anything to "know" but a state change will do the swap preemptively.

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I also read in the op that time does not influence quantum states until observation and stated as observation being the catalyst of collapse?


no, decoherence isn't a collapse. Decoherence is a measurement that leads to a physical state. The final panel of a experiment is wave collapse ..and it doesn't influence the granting of physical states.

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What do you know about Quantum Gravity?


Gravity isn't a force, it's the bending of spacetime. There is a required amount of mass to interact with it.

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The paper you linked doesn't mention tunneling, so where do you get that it describes particles that don't tunnel?


I've been searching for a way to send a decohered wave into a potential well ..this is the only formula that offers a way to do it. Retarded has damping and a state reduction. I needed less frequency oscillation for decoherent waves. And the extra bonus of Unobserved quantum waves being immune to forces (the constants) ..physical particles are not.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 05:10 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
Nothing is physical without spacetime.
Is time the only dimension unobserved quantum waves are missing?
Is being granted time the same as being granted a physical state?
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Sat 22 Feb, 2020 06:33 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
Nothing is physical without spacetime.
Is time the only dimension unobserved quantum waves are missing? ..or is it all of them? Does spacetime contain all four?
Is being granted time the same as being granted a physical state?

Is it possible the big bang happened in an already existing quantum field? The big bang would just be spacetime enlarging handing out time and physical states to quantum waves as it grew. The plasma was already here as quantum waves.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Mon 24 Feb, 2020 07:31 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
The quantum field doesn't use time from spacetime. Unobserved quantum waves do not age. The quantum field isn't limited to time’s frame rate and therefore has all time. This is how the quantum field knows if a state will be triggered in the particles life/path before launching it. This is the core of what measurement/observation is.
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pittsburghjoe
 
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Reply Tue 25 Feb, 2020 06:02 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
The quantum field doesn't use the full dimension of time from spacetime. Unobserved quantum waves do not age/decay. Their phase velocity doesn’t seem to be influenced by it either. The quantum field isn't limited to spacetime’s frame rate and therefore has all time (in regard to physical state grants). This is how the quantum field knows if a state will be triggered in the particles life/path before launching it. This is the core of what measurement/observation is.

A particle/wave will be what it is throughout the flight. No midair swaps. No Duality.
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Reply Wed 26 Feb, 2020 06:35 pm
@pittsburghjoe,
While you believe in the nonsense of QM and Einsteins theories, you will be wandering around in the land of make believe.
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