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Abolish Business Rates

 
 
Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 12:26 pm
Business Rates exist to drive small businesses into the ground. They are part of a totalitarian system of government which removes power from the people and transfers it to the totalitarian state. If only the masses would stop paying.
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livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 12:34 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

Business Rates exist to drive small businesses into the ground. They are part of a totalitarian system of government which removes power from the people and transfers it to the totalitarian state. If only the masses would stop paying.

Rates for what? Utilities?
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 12:58 pm
@livinglava,
For nothing. You get nothing in return. It is a charge made up by the council amounting to about half the rent of the commercial premises.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 12:59 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

For nothing. You get nothing in return. It is a charge made up by the council amounting to about half the rent of the commercial premises.

So you're talking about a tax? Is this like a business license fee?
alphabeta
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 01:01 pm
@livinglava,
It is more like a protection racket.
livinglava
 
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Reply Sun 17 Nov, 2019 05:30 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

It is more like a protection racket.

If it's pure corruption, how do you expect to abolish it?
alphabeta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 10:45 am
@livinglava,
The people behind business rates are no doubt conscious of the growing resistance to them and have already gone back to the drawing board to think up some other scam by which they can fleece the masses.
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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 03:03 pm
I don’t think anyone reading this, including me, knows what you mean by the term “business rates”

Would you please define what “business rates” are?
alphabeta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 03:12 pm
@chai2,
That's what I would like to know.
chai2
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 03:49 pm
@alphabeta,
What?

ok, you're done.

You can't even define what it is you want to abolish.

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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 04:43 pm
@alphabeta,
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It is a charge made up by the council amounting to about half the rent of the commercial premises.

What is this council? Never heard about such a thing?

Is this government imposed? Which government - country, state, etc?

Maybe you leave elsewhere than most of the other posters here and that is why so many of us are confused.

I have no idea what you mean by business rates.

My Knowles of anything referred to as business rates is favorable for businesses - ie lower rates for a hotel room, air fare, etc. due to using their these services more.
lmur
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 05:11 pm
@Linkat,
https://www.gov.uk/introduction-to-business-rates

I'm presuming alphabeta is British. Assuming the system is the same as where I'm from, the monies are collected by Local Authorities and are used by them to fund local services e.g. road repairs, public lighting, parks and amenities, graveyards. Or 'nothing at all' as our resident conspiracy nutcase seems to imagine.

chai2
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 05:30 pm
@lmur,
Good info lmur.

From what I can glean, it's a tax on business on their "rateable value".

However depending on the rateable value of your business, you get a "rate relief" anywhere from between 100% to 0%. I guess Americans would think of this as a deduction.

And, as lmur said, it goes to pay for things like road repair, lighting. bridges, etc. Infrastructure stuff.

I wonder where the OP thinks these funds should come from.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 05:58 pm
@lmur,
I guess the question is then is this a fair tax/fee? Is it much different than what say a resident would pay? Are there any taxes for businesses or is it just this fee?

A business would benefit from things like a good road, public lighting, and other public facilities - like I said I think it would be more is what you paying fair?
alphabeta
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 06:02 pm
@Linkat,
It is about 7 times higher than what a resident would pay.
Businesses also pay corporation tax, VAT and employer taxes.
ekename
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 06:52 pm
@alphabeta,
It's a conspiracy.

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chai2
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 07:17 pm
@alphabeta,
alphabeta wrote:

It is about 7 times higher than what a resident would pay.
Businesses also pay corporation tax, VAT and employer taxes.


So where are the funds for infrastructure repair and maintenance supposed to come from?

What type of business do you own, and what is your rate relief?

A resident, meaning a citizen?

Please note.
There are 3 questions there, so expecting 3 answers.
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Linkat
 
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Reply Wed 20 Nov, 2019 09:21 pm
@alphabeta,
Then what you are saying is that the fee is unfair not that it is paying for nothing.

I am not familiar with your tax code or fees so it is difficult for me to for an opinion.

alphabeta
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 02:53 am
@Linkat,
The business owner is already paying council tax at their residence.
Linkat
 
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Reply Thu 21 Nov, 2019 08:09 am
@alphabeta,
Is this council tax a tax on a residence - in other words do all residences pay some sort of council tax.

If so - you also own a business. The business profits from things like good roads (so customers can drive to your shop for example) - a business also uses public facilities.

A business and residence are two separate entities even though in a sense a business owner may be a resident and a business but both of these entities benefit from public facilities separately.

I am not against each (even if it is one person) getting charged a tax/fee as I see the two as separate entities.

I am not sure what sort of business you have so making an assumption that you have a physical location for your business - you are using roads, public lighting, police, fire, etc for your business. When you close up shop for the day and go to your residence you again are using these public facilities for your residence. On top of it your business is profiting from using these public facilities.

The only issue I can see is if this tax/fee is fairly charged.
 

 
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