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Should I quit the seemingly negative, fake friend?

 
 
boundto
 
Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2019 07:50 am
I appreciate if people have the time to read.

I enjoy having few friends. The few friends I have are true people in my life are ones that relate to me on a seriously deep level. I am always objective and open-minded when it comes to assessing whether the people in my life are beneficial or not. But currently, at Age 20, I feel the need to ask people for advice.

The friend in question I have known since 2014 (6 years to date). The things I value in him are loyalty, humour, straight-forwardness and his lack of shame. To me, he is someone that would never lie or manipulate his friends. He will always tell the truth and look to find humour in bad situations.

To understand what kind of a person he is, here is some background:
1. Grew up in a family of 7 – oldest in the household.
2. Biological father left when he was a young child.
3. Completed Grade R to 10 and then pursued a career in the Military (Army).
4. Claims to have had an abusive step-father.
5. ENFP personality type – impulsive, full of ideas, campaigner

I met him during my high schooling. He hardly had any friends because he would antagonise people all of the time, for attention I assume. The persona he created for himself was just a bully and a weird person. He would seek altercation – mostly verbal, nothing serious. If he had a chance to provoke or threaten someone, he would always take it. He did get into trouble many times in high school- suspended for insulting another student, threatening people, one incident where he did physically hurt someone.

I befriended him because I wanted to understand why he did what he did. No harm, I thought. I might be able to help him. I assumed what he was doing was counter-productive and he needed to self-assess. But I never wanted to change him, just understand him.

The friendship turned into any other friendship and I soon realised he was more normal than people thought. As years went on, the connections grew deeper and his lack of shame made it easier to relate to things. Some of the most positive moments in my life involved his company and humour.

He left in Year 10 (age 17) to kick-start a new life in the Army. He didn’t like schooling or being at home with 7 younger kids - so this in his mind was the right move. He changed state but we kept in contact through online messengers and initially he felt liberated and excited to organise his life. He had money and freedom so he was happy for a few months. We would talk every day and occasionally play video games together.

About a year later he starts telling me he regretted joining the Army because of the quality of the people he had to work with, the non-flexible hours and the tough lifestyle. I listened and helped him explore coping methods or just exit strategies. However, his behaviour altered after this chat.

He started spending all of his pay from his job. Mostly on alcohol at parties, video game consoles, stuff he didn’t need but had to buy for his satisfaction like overly expensive audio units and flashy rims for his car. He took out a $30,000 loan to purchase a car. He had no control over what he was doing. He would buying video games for 2 days then returning the console because it got ‘boring’. He had nothing else to do and there was no internal joy he could feel without external means.

He tells me he has no ambitions, no drives, no goals. When he comes to me with ideas it’s always about driving cars ridiculously fast, dealing drugs, strip clubs, becoming a gangster / bikie. His mind is all about him and he can never settle on solid good intentioned plans or interests. He is becoming increasingly impulsive and unstable. I worry his ego will get the better of him and his life will further deplete into criminal habits with no place to go but down. Everything in his life is extreme and changes from day to day. His interests, his attitude / mood, his use of language, the way he dresses – is becoming more and more intimidating (unapproachable). He is creates fake voices and tries to act tough all the time. He is always probing and analysing me and trying to correct my behaviour.

Having a friend like this around is a bit stressful, intimidating and becomes hard to relate to. I don’t necessarily agree with half of the things he has interest in – and that’s fine, everybody is different. But it becomes very difficult when you try to give someone advice and they are very tunnel minded on specific yet impulsive, volatile, unorthodox goals / interests / intentions. Acting like they are smarter than you to protect themselves. I don’t try to compete with him but he competes with me, like he competes with anybody else. It makes me think it’s an insecurity thing. I don’t want an insecure friend, I want something to inspire me and actually care about me. Not an Army tough guy with an unstable life and no foundation for his thoughts or values. Maybe I’m just picky but please understand my frustration.

Occasionally I will feel like I have to end it between him and me, because nothing in his life is changing after a solid 3 years in the Army. I don’t want to be surrounded by insecurity or negativity when he comes home from work and needs someone to talk to. I want stability and good core values from a friend. Someone who cares more about others and doesn’t talk about killing people and joining criminal gangs on the daily. It doesn’t feel intelligent, it feels fake. If you have an opinion I appreciate it.

My personality type is INFJ. I don’t give up on friends but maybe I should for my own sanity! Thank you for your opinion.

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jespah
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2019 12:54 pm
@boundto,
His "personality type" is about as relevant as his shoe size right now.

Myers-Briggs is fairly well debunked now, anyway.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/the-myers-briggs-personality-test-is-pretty-much-meaningless-9359770/
https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/09/the-personality-test-that-conned-the-world/
https://www.livescience.com/65513-does-myers-briggs-personality-test-work.html
https://www.medicaldaily.com/personality-tests-are-not-accurate-myers-briggs-personality-test-not-reliable-416652
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/give-and-take/201309/goodbye-mbti-the-fad-won-t-die
etc. But that's a tangent. Back to you.

He's not giving you anything in this relationship except for grief.

At the same time, he's not your reclamation project. Yes, I know you said "I never wanted to change him, just understand him." but personally I don't believe that for a minute. People don't tend to hang around destructive personalities unless they think they can play savior, even if this 'saving' is something they're doing subconsciously.

His issues are not yours. You can drop him.

And, by the way, if he's an addict (or on his way to addiction), or on his way to eventually a stay in a small room with a locked door, courteous of the government -- you'll be doing your future self a huge favor by saying sayonara now.

Don't be the person he calls at 2 AM because he's too drunk or high to drive and knows you'll take care of him. I've been that person, and that role sucks. Don't be the person who ends up quite literally bailing him out. You know he's dealing drugs. Do you honestly think that's not a possible endgame?

And for God's sake, I hope you don't have to be the person to identify his body.

Because his behavior is self-destructive, and it will drag you down if you let it. You're already seeing this (good for you!) and that's why you've got this nagging feeling in the back of your mind that you need to find the exit sign.

You're also (probably) being bombarded with messages about loyalty and responsibility.

You can still be a kind, loyal, mature, and responsible person and go through the exit sign.

And never look back.
boundto
 
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Reply Mon 23 Sep, 2019 11:56 pm
@jespah,
I'm using the type as a generalisation. It doesn't mean I agree with the model and follow all of it's details. I understand it's shortcomings but if information reasonably matches the individual case by case - how can you just dismiss the entire assessment?

Grief, sure. However, I find relatable humour with him. We always have honest, straightforward conversations. I mean super honest. Zero bullshit. I don't know about you, but it's very rare these days to find people like this.

He would never be the person to call me at 2AM because he is drunk. No, he would walk home extended distances to save me the struggle. He is not a burden in this way, it is all psychological. He has basic courtesy. He is remarkably fit because of his job, he is able to take pain physically.

Why can't he be a reclamation project? He's not that far gone. It's all psychological. So what if I do want to change him? Friends assist each other, right?

He lives in another state, as mentioned. His issues are not mine - they are not tangible to me, I don't face them on a daily basis but they leak into my consciousness occasionally - hence the writeup. He's not an addict, he just obviously has nothing else to do. Without goals, without ambitions - this is what happens right? Partying and wasting time. He has done drugs but not heavy ****. Mostly psychoactive drugs, if you have any idea of what I'm talking about. 48 hours, he is clean - but still, it's not a good habit. Point is, it's not THAT self-destructive. It could change.

Messages of loyalty and responsibility come from within my own mind. I valued this friendship because of it's rare, genuine connection. This person is just misaligned, not entirely self-destructive. People should not be controlled, restrained but encouraged and assisted. I have tolerance, I can be there for a person I know to have good intentions deep down but has ideas of insecurity and a lost identity. This is not my test subject - so relax. I'll let you know what happens.
jespah
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2019 05:29 am
I am perfectly relaxed. Smile

Since you only wanted to hear what you wanted to hear, why ask for advice? Sometimes advice comes in a form that we don't like. Doesn't mean it's wrong.

Fine, lovely, it's not addiction, per se.

So what?

It's still self-destructive behavior. The likelihood, still, is that he'll have an arrest in his future, if not an incarceration.

Only you can decide if your awesome honest conversations are worth that form of grief.

Here's why reclamation projects suck: they do nearly nothing for the reclaimer. You waste time and energy, perhaps money, on a person who doesn't do anything for you. Who may very well be ungrateful. Who is a grownup and should be able to take care of themselves. And who, if they ever are reclaimed, has every possibility of dropping your friendship like a rock because they no longer need you.

But hey, if you feel like wasting a bunch of time on someone like that, rather than spending it with friends on an equal footing with you, who will nurture you in return, then you have already made up your mind.

And I honestly hope you're not doing this in the hopes that it will make this guy one day wake up and decide he's in love with you. That way lies madness
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Linkat
 
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Reply Tue 24 Sep, 2019 09:28 am
@boundto,
You asked if you should quit this seemingly negative, fake friend. Jespah gave you her reasons why you should. And quite lengthy and detailed.

But you apparently had already decided you want to keep this negative fake friend. If you already have this in mind instead of wasting her time - just say I plan on keeping this negative fake friend and then jespah would be on better footing whether to waste her time (almost like you wasting your time on this friend) giving you advice with as much facts behind her reasoning.
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