Winona and her eyeliner

I don't have an answer for you, but I just saw your question here, lonely and alone, unanswered, and I thought I'd stop in and just say, "hi, material girl! You are a wonderful person."

By the way, Winona Ryder is so f*cking hot.

Gotta go...seeya!

I have never had my eyeliner gloop, disappear, or go in clumps. Maybe it is not your eyeliner...but rather, your eyes that are the problem.

Actually hotsauce has a point. Some people are naturally more oily so it would make sense that makeup stays on some people better. I always had girls asking how I kept my makeup on so long. It looks pretty much the same at the end of the day, if not a little faded. I don't do anything special.

However, if you want a product to try and combat fading makeup, try Clinique's Touch Base. It's a base you put on your eyes before makeup that holds your make up in place. Also, make sure you wait 10-15 minutes after moisturizer to put make up on. I've found that putting it on too soon after your moisturizer can cause it to go away quicker.

Cool advice, thanks.
I put eyeliner on my inner eye so I cant really put a base on.


Kicky-thanks, you always entertain me and indeed Winona is one hot mama!!

Silly Material Girl...
That is probably why then. Your tears are probably streaking your makeup.

Yeah I realise that eye moisture mucks it up but how come it works for other people?
Do you think they re-apply it every 10 minutes?Celebs probably have someone to do it for them.

Why would you wear eyeliner on your inner eyelid?

It defines them more.My eyes look like they dissapear at times but when I put liner on they really stand out.

The only eye makeup I ever use is L'Oreal Lineur Intense liquid eyeliner, and only on the upper eyelid. It never smears and always enhances my evil glare or innocent stare.

How spookoid is that!!The best pencil eyeliner I found and use is L'Oreal Contour Resist.

Ive tried the liquid eyeliner but I never have a steady hand!I end up looking silly.

My hands are steady. I can do calligraphy with a brush and ink.

hmm, from little that i learne, putting eyeliner on inner eyelid makes your eyes appear smaller. darker, yes, but smaller. i always always put an eyeliner (and i use it everyday almost) just above eyelashes on upper lid, and a pencil just under eyelashes, for a softer touch, on lower. i use any brand, never smears.

Syno, could you do your calligraphy on peoples eyes, youd make a fortune.

Dag, I did think about addressing the witchy/gothic types of this forum as theyd know best.You sprang to mind.
Ive tried pencil eyeliner above the top lashes but just looks odd because it has a flesh coloured line underneath.
I can also never get the mascara right down to the base of the lashes!!

Oh Im a make up disaster!!

Have you all updated your make up as the years go on?I was stuck in a early 90's timewarp wearI emphasised my mouth and not my eyes.I now know it works better for me he other way around.

Here is an advise from a Goth. I googled 'eyeliner on inner eyelid" and it was the first hit i got, ha. goth or not, she has some sound tips:

EYELINER: There are two basic kinds-- pencils (sometimes called kohls), and liquid. Liquid tends to look more professional, but can be incredibly tricky to put on evenly. The only kind I can manage to not smear everywhere is Almay's I-Liner. It comes in a little pot with a long, thin lid and a felt pen-like tip. The long handle lets you grip the liner closer to the tip, allowing you more control. Pencils, on the other hand, are a lot easier to put where you want them, but they tend to cake up and go on unevenly. To fix that, smudge the line with either your little cone-shaped spongey thing on a stick (that's what it's there for,) or a Q-tip (or your finger, in a pinch). You can also rub the cone spongey in eyeshadow, and use that as a more subtle and easily blended eyeliner. You can also turn any eyeshadow into liquid eyeliner by dipping your eyeliner brush in water and dragging it over the eyeshadow.

Again, use your imagination in applying your eyeliner (extravagant eyeliner is, afterall, one of the trademarks of gothic makeup). One of the gothy-standbys is to line your entire upper and lower lids in black eyeliner, ending in little points in the corners (or very dramatic points, if you so choose.) This looks good in either liquid or pencils if it's properly executed (just be aware that if you use liquid eyeliner under your eye, it's almost guaranteed to run, especially if you're sweating. Remember to check yourself in a mirror and touch up often. I usually use pencil on the lower lid, and liquid on the upper). For a less obvious look, you can line either your upper or lower lids, or both, stopping before the inner corner (and blending well, if you're using a pencil). Be aware, though, that lining only your bottom lid can make your eyes appear smaller. If you have problems applying your liner evenly, try making a few very small lines across your lid, and then connect the dots. Don't feel obligated to use only black! There's a world of color out there, many of which are suitable even for the least glittery-goth! Try smudging purple-y (or green, or whatever,) eyeshadow under your eyes with that spongey thing (would somebody PLEASE find out what the proper name for that thing is?). Red can be quite fetching, as well. If just the eyeshadow isn't enough for you, try applying a thinner line of black over it. This is an especially good idea if you've lined your eyes in red--it's a very cool, spooky look, but red eyeliner alone tends to shrink your eyes (not to mention give you that ever-so-attractive heroin chic look).

You might be tempted to extend your eyeliner into all sorts of curlie-cues and embellishments. Some jaded old goths think this sort of thing is silly, but I say go for it! Just please follow a few guidelines to avoid ridicule. First of all, be creative. The eye of Horus (especially Death's single curly bit), Crow Makeup, Dawn's three tears, and Marilyn Manson's downward-swooping eye things have been done TO DEATH! Also, don't think that you must be symmetrical. It often looks more polished if you do a few big sweepy things on one side of your face and balance it with a similar-themed but much smaller thing on the other side (not to mention trying to get eyeliner-designs even on both sides is a PHENOMENAL pain in the ass.) For some creative lining ideas, check out my links page for "When Gothic Eyes are Moping". Finally, if you do decide to get artsy with the eyeliner, for gods' sakes learn to use a liquid! Yes, it takes a steady hand and tons of practice, but trust me--pencil drawings on your face look wretched. If you can't draw in liquid, just don't bother. If you're really adventurous, you can try the raccon eyes detailed above in solid liquid eyeliner (Think Queen Mab in the recent made-for-TV movie _Merlin_). Probably not worth the trouble, but is quite striking if you pull it off. Whenver you're using liquid eyeliner, remember not to open your eyes all the way until the liner is completely dry. Use a hair dryer if you've used a lot of liner. If you do smudge your liner, or get the liquid uneven, or make any other mistakes, remember that spit-soaked Q-tips are your best friends. Oh, yeah, and no matter what type of liner you're using, it's easiest to apply it if you tilt your head back and look through half-closed lids. If you close your eye completely the lid will get all wrinkley and make it more challenging to get the liner even.

A quick note about white eyeliner. Theoretically, when used on the upper lid instead of black liner, white attracts light and "opens up" the eye, making it appear larger. I don't like it. ::shrug:: Try it sometime, though, it might surprise you. Light silver ought to do the trick, too. You can also put white liner on the inside edge of your lower eyelid (just inside the lashes) to make your eye appear whiter, your pupils more dilated, and generally make you more attractive. It's a little tricky to apply (try gently pulling the skin under your eye down to move the lid away from your eye a bit), and many professionals recommend that you never ever line your inner eyelid (apparently you may clog your tear ducts or other nasty stuff.) In my experience, you probably don't want to try it if you have sensitive eyes (unless you want your eyes watering nonstop,) otherwise you're _probably_ okay. I've known people to put black on their inner eyelid, which does make one super-spooky, but also tends to make you look squinty. I also know one person who lined their inner eyelid in red, which was truly startling, and not entirely in a good way.

Blimey, info a gogo.Thanks for taht.
Its made me want to go out and buy loads of different colours and types!!I love being a girl.

I love silver liner and I am not a goth. It goes very well with very light pink shadow.

wow! there is some serious information about eyeliner!

I love silver too...but with a light blue...sounds 80's...but it is cool!!

Wow, never heard of silver liner.Im definately going shopping this weekend!!