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An end to the Israel Experiment?

 
 
Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 12:26 pm
An End to the Israel Experiment?
A very provocative article with a different perspective.

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March 3, 2003
An End to the Israel Experiment?
Unmaking a Grievous Error
By KIRKPATRICK SALE - Counter-Punch

Now that Ariel Sharon has been returned to power and his regime
endorsed in its brutal occupation of Palestine, it seems to me that
the time has come to ask whether the 50-year-old experiment known as
the state of Israel has proven to be a failure and should be
abandoned.

Two things seem abundantly clear from the long months of multi-ethnic
carnage in the Middle East. The first is that Israel cannot live in
peace with the Palestinians unless it finally establishes a
dictatorial apartheid rule and confines them in Arab bantustans.

The second is that the Palestinians will not live in peace with
Israel, not even if they achieve their promised statehood, for they
share the deep, decades-old hostility to the Jewish state that has
not abated but increased throughout the Arab world in recent years.
We may disregard as hollow the rhetoric claiming that Israel would be
accepted if it was confined to its pre-1967 borders, which is
something that it will not do, anyway.

With the Likud electoral victory, we can expect, even if eventually
some American-brokered peace plan is nominally agreed upon, that
Israel will fortify its borders, continue occupying Palestinian
territory at will, bolster its support for West Bank settlements, and
keep on using military retaliation for any Palestinian acts of
sabotage or terror. And that Palestine, though most of its armed
organizations will have been decimated, will be unable or unwilling
to stop such acts, including suicide bombing, newly fueled by the
hatred stemming from the present Israeli occupation.

Israel will win this little war against the intifada, and Palestine
will be effectively disembowled, but there will not be peace. In
fact, there is guaranteed to be more violence.

And there will continue to be violence as long as Israel exists
amidst a population that for the most part abhors, and in only a few
quarters tolerates, its presence.

We all understand the reason for Israel's existence in the first
place. Guilt, and reparation. But was it not a certain recipe for
unrest and disorder to forcibly establsih a Jewish homeland in the
Middle East and, in effect, put down 2 million Jews in the middle of
200 million Arabs?

What would have happened if it was decided in 1948 that 2 million
African-Americans should be returned to, say, a partitioned Ghana,
supported by an annual $6 billion in aid from the American
government? Or, perhaps more to the point, if those African-
Americans, who arguably deserve reparation of some kind, were
established in that part of the Middle East, approximating the
present borders of Israel, that their African ancestors settled from
about 100,000 years ago on? Their claims of priority would vastly
outrank any Biblical ones for the Jews, but it is hard to think that
they would have been welcomed by the Arabs there, and tolerated only
if they had superior military power and the support of the U.S.

Yes, I am arguing that the original idea of a Jewish state, from the
Balfour Declaration on down, was a mistake, and to establish it in an
Islamic Middle East essentially by force and with the emiseration of
millions of natives was a tragic mistake. We are reaping the awful
results of that error today.

It is of course not so easy to know what to do to undo that mistake,
but I would argue that a world that can make a state can unmake it.
In its place one might establish a non-religious Palestine covering
all of the original British Mandate in which Jews, Moslems,
Christians, and others would have equal rights and equal votes, as a
few Israelis have suggested in recent years; or a "bi-ethnic/bi-
national" state with equal powers toJews and Moslems something along
the lines of Switzerland, Belgium, or a future Ireland; or an Islamic
state that would be forced by international vigilence to give, and
maintain, full religious and political rights to the Jews, who would
then be free to settle in the West Bank and elsewhere.

The process need not be unduly rapid-and just the prospect of it
might well be enough to put an end to the present intifada-and it
should include an extensive international effort to resettle those
Israelis who would not want to remain in the Middle East. Given the
skill and intelligence of the Israeli workforce one can imagine that
a great many countries would welcome such settlers, even in large
aggregates. The diaspora, after all, has existed since 70 A.D., far
longer than the state has, and might even be thought of as the
natural or historic role of Jewry.

I know full well that such ideas are an anathema to most Israelis,
who after all have made the land their home in the last 50 years. But
I would suggest that the way things are going their options in
maintaining a Jewish state are limited: an apartheid state with
Palestinians forcibly removed from Israael and no end to the
violence; a Stalinist police state with an end to both violence and
democracy; and a democratic one-person-one-vote state encompassing
all Jews and Arabs, in which Palestinians will soon outnumber Jews.

Among those choices, abandoning the experiment of the Israeli state
does not seem so far-fetched or undesirable.
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Kirkpatrick Sale is the author of nine books, including Rebels
Against the Future: The Luddites and Their War on the Industrial
Revolution: Lessons for the Computer Age and The Conquest of
Paradise: Christopher Columbus and the Columbian Legacy. He can be
reached at: kirksale@c...
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 08:35 pm
Interesting idea, but it will never work under the current leaderships of Israel and Palestine. c.i.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Tue 4 Mar, 2003 08:44 pm
i spent my youth growing up in Saudi Arabia during the creation of Israel (no i am not arab) while the debate rages over Iraq/Iran/Pakistan/India/N.Korea et al the real hot spot is Israel/Palestine. As long as the US continues with unquestioning support/dollars for Israel and continued disregard for UN sanctions for the Palestine state, terrorism/violence will not cease in the middle east. The UN and the US MUST intervene (by force if necessary)
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frolic
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 05:29 am
The experiment will end itself. Israel's economic output, or GDP, declined by 1.1% last year. Foreign investment plunged to $541m last year, from $865m in 2001.

With the Palestinian uprising adding to Israel's cocktail of woes, analysts have predicted a further economic contraction this year. Without the financial support of the US this experiment already was over. Now its just a question of time. How long will the US continue to pay for the Israeli. Given the financial situation of the US => Not much longer. Israel currently receives about $3bn a year from the US. In the next days an Israeli delegation will go to the US to plead for an extra $12bn in aid and loan guarantees from Washington. With 75 million Americans without Health insurance and 30 million American living in poverty and hunger i know better things to spend $12bn on.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 10:34 am
frolic, The US is now intent on going to war with Iraq that will cost hundreds of billions before everything is settled in spite of the fact that many/most Americans at home are suffering from no job, no food, no medical care, schools hurting, and our infrastructure going to pot. The cost of this war is going to affect the decisions of future presidents and congress, and the picture looks pretty lowsy from my vantage point. c.i.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:10 am
headline in tomorrows a2k "c.i. convicted of sedition of thought"
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steissd
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:33 am
OK, and what solution do you provide for 5.85 million of Jewish citizens of Israel? If the Israel is dismantled, all of them will be murdered. Are the First World states ready to accept 5.85 million refugees?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 11:33 am
dys, Thank god for a democratic republic. As for A2K, well, what can I say? Wink c.i.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 12:01 pm
steissd, Yes. The world states would welcome the citizens of Israel with open arms. They already understand the concepts of democracy and the capitalist system of economics. c.i.
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steissd
 
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Reply Thu 6 Mar, 2003 12:22 pm
Are you declaring this on your behalf, or on behalf of the U.S. administration? If the latter is right, I am ready to leave, if the USA agrees to accept me. I do not think that Palestinian cause is right, but I am afraid that some day liberals will win the elections in the USA, and Israel will be abandoned.
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frolic
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 04:08 am
steissd wrote:
Are you declaring this on your behalf, or on behalf of the U.S. administration? If the latter is right, I am ready to leave, if the USA agrees to accept me. I do not think that Palestinian cause is right, but I am afraid that some day liberals will win the elections in the USA, and Israel will be abandoned.


Question? Why are the Jews all over the world welcome in Israel? And why is it for the Palestinian refugees forbidden to return to their homeland?
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 01:21 pm
Israel is a Jewish state. When the Palestinian Arab state is established (and the latter thing depends upon when the Palestinians stop terror), all the Arab refugees may return there if they want. Israel will never agree to accept any Arab refugees: this will cause Holocaust to be repeated, if Jews become an ethnic minority in Israel (in 1967 pre-war borders). Two countries for two peoples, and not extinguishing of Israel by means of Arabs outnumbering and later slaughtering its Jewish population, this may be the only solution of the Middle East conflict. I am not sure whether Israel possesses nuclear weapons, but if it does, any attempt to erase it from the world map will be a fatal threat to those that attempt doing this.
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BumbleBeeBoogie
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 01:28 pm
Stessid, Israel has had "the bomb" for decades, which is one of the complaints of the middle eastern countries re equity. Several years ago, Israel bombed and destroyed Hussein's bomb research plant to prevent Iraq from succeeding in getting the same bomb as Israel has had for years. The US applauded Israel's action at the time.
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steissd
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 01:43 pm
Israel has the bomb (allegedly), and it has never used it, and will not if there is no real threat to its very existence. Israel has already proved it by abstaining of usage the nukes for decades, even in the critical for its existence days of 1973 war, where the very physical survival of its Jewish citizens was at stake, and it was saved by President Nixon (military supplies) and General Sharon (defeat of Egyptian army). This bomb is for deterrent purposes only, to chill out some hot heads in the Muslim world from trying to erase Israel.
The alleged possession of nuclear weapons by Israel made it possible to sign the Camp David Peace Treaty in 1978: Sadat was wise enough to realise that he had no chances to defeat Israel in future.
Iraq is not threatened by any of its neighbors (even by Iran: this was Saddam, and not Khomeiny that started the Irano-Iraqi war). Hence, Iraqi nukes are intended for aggressive purposes only.
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nelsonn
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 08:34 pm
I was oppossed to the creation of Israel in the Middle East, and have always thought that Israel can be a Democracy or a Jewish state , but not both. But now the qustion is what will happen to the Israelis: other countries may possibly accept 5+ million refugees, but not 5+ million Jewish refugees.
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roger
 
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Reply Sun 9 Mar, 2003 08:45 pm
nelsonn wrote:
I was oppossed to the creation of Israel in the Middle East, and have always thought that Israel can be a Democracy or a Jewish state , but not both. But now the qustion is what will happen to the Israelis: other countries may possibly accept 5+ million refugees, but not 5+ million Jewish refugees.


The warm welcome accorded Jews from 1938 onward bears out your understanding, nelsonn.

Israel is not an experiment, by the way. It is a nation with the same right to exist as any other nation.
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frolic
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2003 10:29 am
roger wrote:

Israel is not an experiment, by the way. It is a nation with the same right to exist as any other nation.


Like a Palestinian nation?
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roger
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2003 10:53 am
Yeah, when it becomes a nation.
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frolic
 
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Reply Mon 10 Mar, 2003 11:56 am
roger wrote:
Yeah, when it becomes a nation.


What is your definition of a nation?

The Palestinians are peoples with the same history and they live all in the same place. They are allready a nation. But without land because their land was stolen.
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