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Punctuation inside or outside quotations?

 
 
Nat093
 
Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 10:22 am
In British English, punctuation marks (like full stops) are normally placed outside quotation marks. But what if a full stop is part of the original text being quoted? Should I place the full stop outside or inside the quotation marks?

For examaple. Here is a passage from Bauer (1998: 78):

I have tried to argue above that none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction.

If I want to quote the text, should I do it as in (1) or (2)?

1) As Bauer (1998: 78) puts it, "none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction".
2) As Bauer (1998: 78) puts it, "none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction."
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:27 am
Nat093 wrote:
In British English, punctuation marks (like full stops) are normally placed outside quotation marks.

Not exactly. The situation is not so simple. In British English styles, punctuation is placed where it logically belongs, which could be inside or outside quotation marks.

If a complete sentence in quotes comes at the end of a larger sentence, the final stop should be inside the inverted commas. However, what you quoted is not a complete sentence (it does not start with a capital letter) so your example 1 is correctly punctuated.
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:34 am
Full sentence quoted:

The answer was, “You can't wash your hands in a buffalo.”

Part sentence quoted:

The phrase to use is, "fast and furious".




Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:35 am
@centrox,
"If a complete sentence in quotes comes at the end of a larger sentence, the final stop should be inside the inverted commas"

Could you please give me an example?
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:35 am
Please see my latest reply above.
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:42 am
@centrox,
So, let me give you another example just to make sure.

Here is a passage from Bauer (1983):

It makes more sense to talk of single and double stressed compounds than of compounds as opposed to noun + noun syntactic phrases.

Then, if I want to quote the whole text, I should do it like this?

1) Accordin to Bauer (1983: 109), "it makes more sense to talk of single and double stressed compounds than of compounds as opposed to noun + noun syntactic phrases."

If I do not quote the whole sentence, I should do it like this?

2) Accordin to Bauer (1983: 109), it seems more reasonable "to talk of single and double stressed compounds than of compounds as opposed to noun + noun syntactic phrases".
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 11:52 am
The answer to both questions is 'yes', however:

a. The word 'according' has a final 'g'. It is an error to omit this.

b. In your example 1, you should start the quoted sentence, as you should start all sentences, with a capital letter.
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:03 pm
@centrox,
It was just a slip, thank you for your correction.

So even though I start a sentence with a phrase "According to AuthorX", I should still use capital letters?
centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:13 pm
@Nat093,
Nat093 wrote:
So even though I start a sentence with a phrase "According to AuthorX", I should still use capital letters?

The quoted sentence, starting "It is", terminates a larger sentence starting "According to Bauer". Both are sentences, and both must therefore start with capital letters.

According to Hosepipe (1988:109), "Children should be taught that playing with matches is dangerous."

Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:18 pm
@centrox,
Thank you very much for your valuable comments.
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tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:19 pm
@centrox,
centrox wrote:


Part sentence quoted:
The phrase to use is, "fast and furious".

That's the job for ellipses.

The phrase to use is, "fast and furious...."
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:30 pm
@centrox,
I would like to ask you just one more question.

Here is a whole paragraph from Bauer (1983: 109):

I have tried to argue above that none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction. The implication is that any distinction drawn on the basis of just one of these criteria is simply a random division of noun + noun constructions, not a strongly motivated borderline between syntax and the lexicon.


And then If I want to quote the part starting from "none of the possible...", should I put the full stop inside or outside the quotation mark at the end?

1) According to Bauer (1983: 109), "none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction. The implication is that any distinction drawn on the basis of just one of these criteria is simply a random division of noun + noun constructions, not a strongly motivated borderline between syntax and the lexicon".

2) According to Bauer (1983: 109), "none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction. The implication is that any distinction drawn on the basis of just one of these criteria is simply a random division of noun + noun constructions, not a strongly motivated borderline between syntax and the lexicon."

centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:35 pm
@tsarstepan,
tsarstepan wrote:

centrox wrote:


Part sentence quoted:
The phrase to use is, "fast and furious".

That's the job for ellipses.

The phrase to use is, "fast and furious...."


I would have done better not to write 'part sentence'. I should have written "non- sentence", since I intended it to stand by itself, and not be seen as an extract from a longer fragment or sentence.

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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:38 pm
@Nat093,
Nat093 wrote:
And then If I want to quote the part starting from "none of the possible...", should I put the full stop inside or outside the quotation mark at the end?

Consider whether you are quoting a complete sentence of the original author's text, or part of a sentence. If you have properly read the answers already given you will know the correct answer.
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:43 pm
@centrox,
In fact, here I want to quote part of the first sentence and a complete second sentence. So generally I will not quote the whole text and I should put the full stop outside the quotation?
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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:46 pm
use 2)
According to Bauer (1983: 109), "none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction. The implication is that any distinction drawn on the basis of just one of these criteria is simply a random division of noun + noun constructions, not a strongly motivated borderline between syntax and the lexicon."
Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 12:53 pm
@centrox,
So what is the rule in this case?

I know that if I quote part of a sentence, I put the full stop outside the quotation. If I quote the whole sentence, I put the full stop inside the quotation.

How should I understand the use of full stop in this case? I do not quote "the whole text" I guess.

According to Bauer (1983: 109), "none of the possible criteria give a reliable distinction betwen two types of construction. The implication is that any distinction drawn on the basis of just one of these criteria is simply a random division of noun + noun constructions, not a strongly motivated borderline between syntax and the lexicon."



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centrox
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 01:26 pm
In British style, if your quotation is, as in your latest example, part of a first sentence, then the complete second sentence, then the full stop punctuation ending the second sentence is placed inside the quotation marks and also acts as the final punctuation for the whole larger sentence.

Nat093
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 01:38 pm
@centrox,
Thank you very much. You really helped me a lot. Thank you.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Tue 10 Jan, 2017 02:08 pm
@Nat093,
(1998: [page, item, essay no., March' , etc ??] 78):

puts it, "...none of

[no one] gives

between two


Incidentally 093, how does (1) differ from (2)

Quote:
You really helped me a lot
Wha, who, me
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