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Why does life avoid death?

 
 
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 19 Nov, 2016 10:49 pm
@Porter Rockwell,
Porter Rockwell wrote:

The production of toxins (as well as a plethora ... maybe two or three plethori) of other defense mechanisms is a method of avoiding being eaten, not a cause for not wanting to be eaten in the first place.

But you may have put me onto an idea. If a stimulus -- like the presence of a predator -- creates a toxin .... that could be interpreted as "avoiding being eaten" even though, as you said, no higher brain function is involved. (No higher brain is present.)

So, we have the many, many stimuli that could result in death creating many, many corresponding responses; the totality being summed up as "fear of death".

Interesting. I'll have to cogitate on that for a while.

"Not wanting to be eaten" and "fear of death" are results of higher brain functions, e.g. consciousness, that aren't required to avoid being eaten.
Leadfoot
 
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Reply Sun 20 Nov, 2016 07:40 am
Maybe all the ones who evolved until now were the ones that tasted shitty and nothing wanted to eat them.

Hey! that would explain so many things.
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Porter Rockwell
 
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Reply Mon 21 Nov, 2016 12:21 pm
@InfraBlue,
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"Not wanting to be eaten" and "fear of death" are results of higher brain functions, e.g. consciousness, that aren't required to avoid being eaten.


The point of my new understanding is, no, they are not.

We humans like to flatter ourselves with discussions of our "higher brain functions" as though it was an exclusive quality that only humans have. In fact, our vaunted "consciousness" is a property that animals possess in common in a continuum.

My wife and I were discussing the remarkable mental capabilities of our dog just this morning. He anticipates the future and remembers the past. He makes decisions independently based on an understanding of the consequences of events. He expresses a whole range of emotions and understands quite a few words. What is "consciousness" if not that?

So, your insistence that "fear of death" is an exclusive result of higher brain functions is very close to the same error that I was making. The relationship is the exact opposite. Higher brain functions result from the interaction of the multiplicity of stimulus-response pairs that have evolved over time and this multiplicity exists in the most elementary animals but not in the same combinations and as life becomes more simple, not in the same complexity.

Again ... thanks for the comment that has given me a reason to write down and therefore more fully complete my understanding.
InfraBlue
 
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Reply Tue 22 Nov, 2016 01:42 pm
@Porter Rockwell,
Yeah, a dog has higher brain functions. A single celled organism does not.

For what it's worth, you're welcome.
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