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Who's familiar with what Hegel says?

 
 
Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 11:16 am
My Google is blocked. So it is hard for me to find what Hegel says - something like this (the translation is mine - translated from Mandarin):

A nation will still be barbarian if it failed to use its own language to absorb something most excellent and make it its own fortune.

I want to find its English version, or German version.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Wed 17 Feb, 2016 12:52 pm
@oristarA,
Me, Ori, I'm not if anybody isn't

Nothing in your profile, leaving one to wonder why your Google is blocked. Are you the inhabitant of some country with whom we were formerly bitter enemies, until we learned what good customers they could be

I'm sure hyou've already advised me, but at 85 I forget nearly anything

Does this help

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/hegel/works/pr/prstate.htm#PR351

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The same consideration justifies civilised nations in regarding and treating as barbarians those who lag behind them in institutions which are the essential moments of the state. Thus a pastoral people may treat hunters as barbarians, and both of these are barbarians from the point of view of agriculturists, &c. The civilised nation is conscious that the rights of barbarians are unequal to its own and treats their autonomy as only a formality.

Remark: When wars and disputes arise in such circumstances, the trait which gives them a significance for world history is the fact that they are struggles for recognition in connection with something of specific intrinsic worth.
oristarA
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 03:16 am
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Me, Ori, I'm not if anybody isn't

Nothing in your profile, leaving one to wonder why your Google is blocked. Are you the inhabitant of some country with whom we were formerly bitter enemies, until we learned what good customers they could be

I'm sure hyou've already advised me, but at 85 I forget nearly anything
something of specific intrinsic worth.[/i]


Thank you Dale for replying.
Do you know where Setanta comes from? He seems not law-abiding. You know America is a country where people show great respect for the law. He never tells it to anyone. Do you know why? He's enjoying his individual right of liberty. And so am I. I appreciate the United States. Do you think where I am?
dalehileman
 
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Reply Thu 18 Feb, 2016 12:03 pm
@oristarA,
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Thank you Dale for replying.
Most welcome Ori

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Do you know where Setanta comes from?
You might check his profile. However, "where he comes from" in my tongue has an entirely different meaning that has set me to giggling uproariously

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He seems not law-abiding.
I suppose that depends upon whose laws where. His comments have indeed lately sparked a bit of criticism

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He never tells it to anyone. Do you know why?
Sory Ori but with the esl often there's some misundersanding. Tells what

Edited to remark, maybe instead of "tells" you mean "explains". Hence are you asking why he never explains why he so often responds in certain ways

If so, it's merely his nature. If you do a bit of a search you'll find that recent discussion precisely upon this subject, in which surprisingly he's defended by several of our a2k'ers

...but thank you again for the opportunity to chat

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I appreciate the United States. Do you think where I am?
Must be some country with tighter controls over its citizens, maybe China, N Korea, etc
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 02:13 am
I've posted a reply and now it disappeared. I don't know whether the disappearance was caused by the problem of my comp or the network. So I now post it again.
But if the post was removed by a moderator, it will be okay for me to agree to such moderation. Better inform me the removal if possible.
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 02:17 am
@dalehileman,
That reply goes like this:

dalehileman wrote:


If so, it's merely his nature. If you do a bit of a search you'll find that recent discussion precisely upon this subject, in which surprisingly he's defended by several of our a2k'ers



So you have kept silent while watching the "fighting"/discussion?
In my view, real defense is made by offering reasons and showing facts, not driven by gang sentiments. None of the A2Kers offer me any evidence, let alone sound evidence.
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 03:29 am
Gang sentiments wreak havoc on the emotional well-being of free and rational souls.
No doubt about that.
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 11:32 am
@oristarA,
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But if the post was removed by a moderator
More often I find not that it was rejected but in the attempt to save I inadvertently had hit the wrong key

The a2k leaders are very liberal in that respect
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 11:34 am
@oristarA,
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So you have kept silent while watching the "fighting"/discussion?
Recently yes, I've tried to restrain myself

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None of the A2Kers offer me any evidence
Surely some do try, if only in accordance with laws of chance

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let alone sound evidence
No ofense Ori but sound how
oristarA
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 11:53 am
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:


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I appreciate the United States. Do you think where I am?
Must be some country with tighter controls over its citizens, maybe China, N Korea, etc


Three generations of N Korean leaders are monsters who are perennial pests against Humankind , Dale.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 21 Feb, 2016 12:17 pm
@oristarA,
Yes Ori I suspect that is true However if you're a citizen of said subculture, I'd even be afraid of posting that'n
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 12:20 am
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

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let alone sound evidence
No ofense Ori but sound how


I failed to get "sound how". Did you mean "(they did offer) sound evidence, however"?
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 12:24 am
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

Yes Ori I suspect that is true However if you're a citizen of said subculture, I'd even be afraid of posting that'n


Would you like to write in standard English, Dale? I failed to get you 100% (e.g. "what does that'n" mean?)

The "Gang of Ten" gives me the impression that they are captives of said subculture.
I'm sad for that.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 11:40 am
@oristarA,
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"what does that'n" mean?
Sorry Ori, #....842
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 11:43 am
@oristarA,
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Did you mean "(they did offer) sound evidence, however"?
Not exactly, Ori. I meant "in what way sound?"

You gotta forgive me for omitting the q mark
oristarA
 
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Reply Mon 22 Feb, 2016 10:29 pm
@dalehileman,
dalehileman wrote:

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Did you mean "(they did offer) sound evidence, however"?


Not exactly, Ori. I meant "in what way sound?"



I would like to recommend the Gang of Ten the concept of post hoc, ergo propter hoc.

Do you understand the concept, Dale?
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ECCE HOMO
 
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Reply Thu 25 Feb, 2016 08:19 pm
Hi, i am new here and i am happy that i could read more topics and ideas in this site. i guess Hegel was a universal synthesizer. something like, no need for a journey to the world but rather just think about them or all things in order to be known. sorry i think it is not a social or political concept.
oristarA
 
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Reply Fri 26 Feb, 2016 12:26 am
@ECCE HOMO,
ECCE HOMO wrote:

Hi, i am new here and i am happy that i could read more topics and ideas in this site. i guess Hegel was a universal synthesizer. something like, no need for a journey to the world but rather just think about them or all things in order to be known. sorry i think it is not a social or political concept.



Welcome to A2K.
Your thinking is brilliant. Much work still need to be done to improve your English expression.
ECCE HOMO
 
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Reply Sun 28 Feb, 2016 09:24 pm
@oristarA,
Well, uhm. thank you. this is one of my homework to be more communicable, not a disease, but in words. Expression for me is sometimes complicated because, i assume "word" is merely a tool to express my thought but it cannot reveal myself or us. If i cant talk or write anything, well who am i? I am a talking/writing agent in this world but is it really, word or language tells who am i? Can Hegel put in words all that he excellently think in the world? i think i am becoming more perplexed or vague in saying that, " Thought is like a universe with countless matter. e.g. stars, asteroids, comets, etc. but we cannot or difficult to named each of them." Can language able to define us?or thought to know us?
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