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consciousness based on the photon or time

 
 
Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 12:09 pm
Does consciousness exist as an expression of the photon or as an expression of time. If its time is it nondirectional time?
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 03:12 pm
@martinies,
Marty I'd nominate instead the electron

The passage of time is of course necessary for consciousness or anything else involving motion but whaddya mean nondirectional
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DNA Thumbs drive
 
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Reply Sat 13 Dec, 2014 03:48 pm
@martinies,
Consciousness is a neural activity, caused by electro chemical processes in the mind of an individual, that part is easy. However explaining how these electro-chemicals allow for matter (us) to be aware, is far too complicated to be understood at this moment in time.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 09:19 am
@DNA Thumbs drive,
Yes I can see consciousness must be photon based but time and the photon seem strangly infused.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 11:52 am
@martinies,
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Yes I can see consciousness must be photon based
DNA's use of "electrochemical" implies the electron not the photon

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but time and the photon seem strangly infused
Okay Marty but how
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martinies
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 02:12 pm
It consciousness has to be based on something to do with c either way with a photon or electron. Time dilates to c but I dont reckon consciousness dilates. Time as in aging time dilates or seems to. I think myself that pure time is nondirectional and nonlocal.reckon the electron engages nonlocality in superposition some how. Maybe something like spooky action is the root of consciousness.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 03:10 pm
@martinies,
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Maybe something like spooky action is the root of consciousness
Marty I don't understand about dilation, nondirectionality, nonlocality, or superposition but it's quite clear how consciousness arises. It is a function of complexity. If a gadget were build with solid-state particles replacing each cell of the body, the resulting "machine" would surely express consciousness

The problem is a sort of duality that assumes some bodies have consciousness and other not. But that can't be true because nothing is entirely anything while everything is partly something else. In other words, small animals and other cellular accretions of various kinds possess consciousness but in a more nearly primeval form
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contrex
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 04:37 pm
martinies, you are just writing "word soup". It doesn't mean anything.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 05:18 pm
@contrex,
Forgive me Marty but I have to agree with Con above. The fancier the term might on one hand not have specific meaning but less, or on the other, several if not many; in either case more vague
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 06:39 pm
@dalehileman,
You are dead right there dale all animals have the exact same consciousness . Different brains understand that consciousness as self awareness to different levels. Time is omni present in consciousness no matter what type of brain is accessing it at the quantum level in super position. I believe time in superposition is nondirectional. Nondirectional time is nonlocal. So local meets nonlocal to get consciouse. A certain brain then has a conscience in the local event. Yeah you dead right all consciousness is indistinguishably the same thing.
martinies
 
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Reply Sun 14 Dec, 2014 07:26 pm
@dalehileman,
To try and simplify it. There is one consciousness which is time(nondirectional) accessed by all brains for all brains to become consciouse. So time as an omni presents to all action events is consciousness. Resovled to. Time=consciousness
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dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 09:48 am
@martinies,
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You are dead right there dale all animals have the exact same consciousness
Except Marty that isn't what I thought I had said. Consciousness is a sliding scale from minimum with say, the microorganism, to max with the humanoid

Sorry Marty but I can't follow any of the rest of your assertions, you'll haft reword 'em in language suitable to the Average Clod (me)
martinies
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 10:56 am
@dalehileman,
Yes I believe consciousness is sourced by brains in general from time at quantum level. Time in super position as in quatum mech is nondirectional. So what im saying is time is consciousness at the absolute root level of things.
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 12:33 pm
@martinies,
Marty you've got to word it using language suited to the Typical Blockhead (me)
martinies
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 12:53 pm
@dalehileman,
Ok dale theres an ocean of time out there that everything floats in. Our brains source there consciousness from that ocean and let us see and experience the event via our brains. The brain takes on an identity from the event after its born. Example say chinese.But your real identity is time the brain exists independent of its consciousness which is time(nondirectional at quantum level).
dalehileman
 
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Reply Mon 15 Dec, 2014 02:25 pm
@martinies,
Thanks Marty for trying
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