Can you ever return to exactly where you were before

@rosborne979,

However this was just a warm up, the next question shall not be so easily rendered.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

I am overwhelmed with satisfaction for having identified the pedantic nature of the question.

@rosborne979,

You may now, if you so choose, begin the quantitative calculation process, from which the next questions elucidation can be discerned.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

Surely "place" is always relative to other bodies, and modern physics has further complicated the issue with the concept of "non-locality". Hence the phrase "exact place" is vacuous, irrespective of other issues such as:

The identity of "you" is also relative to context,
and
"before" cannot be defined except in rems of space-time.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

TYPO
...in terms of space-time.

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@fresco,

No space time is involved, if you go back into a room where you just were, the room is not where it was, nor will it ever be again.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

The phrase "the room is not where it was" is vacuous unless you define its location relative to specific other bodies/objects. Relativity threw out Newton's "absolute reference frames".

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

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But can you speculate a to why

I suppose DNA because motion is relative so there's no way to establish exactly where you were before

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@dalehileman,

Not at all, when you were in the room the first time, the orbit of the Earth around the sun was at a point A, this point coincided with a point in our Sun's orbit around the Milky Way core the same point A, both points had moved since the person left the room. The fact that the room remained at a fixed point on the surface of the Earth is irrelevant to the Earths two orbits thru the Galaxy. Sheesh the question was answered yesterday. what is your disagreement?

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@dalehileman,

You do not need to know where you were before, as a single orbit of Our solar system, thru the Milky Way takes from 200 to 250 million years, all you need to know is that this motion is moving the Earth along an orbit thru a place that you can never return to in your lifetime, unless you leave the Earth.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

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what is your disagreement?

I mean only that the "same place" is meaningless since there's no static reference

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@dalehileman,

The riddle has been answered by rosborne979, like this, and I quote. "If you include the motion of the planet around the sun and the sun around the Galaxy etc, then no, we will never be in the same place twice. "

This riddle has thus been solved to perfection.

What you can do at this point however, is to try to disprove the answer, to which mathematics will not allow for, unless you leave the Earth to return to that place where you were.

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

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"If you include the motion of the planet around the sun and the sun around the Galaxy etc, then no, we will never be in the same place twice. "

And then, DNA, it's possible that our entire visible Universe is part of a larger volume we can't see but with reference to which which we're in motion

Still because there just simply isn't any such thing s stationary ref it's meaningless to speak of "returning to the same place"

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a wise man once said, you can never go home again

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@dalehileman,

If you are implying, that our universe could be part of a larger volume, that could be equally counteracting the movement of our solar system within the Sun's gravitational influence, and the movements of our solar system in the galactic cloud, and also our galaxies movement in the universe, and that the result of this larger volume, would be that we remain motionless. Then the answer is no. This requires your particular place in the universe to be special, and it is not. We are all equal.

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@djjd62,

Gene Pitney ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Hvzeut-VE

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

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If you are implying, that our universe could be part of a larger volume

Yes, no, but it's just wild speculation to illustrate a point. A "larger volume" implies not "another" Universe but simply a single bigger one

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that could be equally counteracting the movement of our solar system within the Sun's gravitational influence

Sorry DNA but that has me running around in circles

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and the movements of our solar system in the galactic cloud

Thinking of our visible Universe as a tiny segment of a much bigger one, in which we'd be in motion, everything in view, with respect to most of the "rest"

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and that the result of this larger volume, would be that we remain motionless

No, supposedly there's no such thing as motionlessness. I guess I hardly ever make myself clear

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@dalehileman,

Yes and No is a great answer, as you have to be correct. Thus I stopped there, at Yes,no,.

Please make a rational choice.

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Sheesh

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

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as you have to be correct

Alas DNA, neva hachi

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@DNA Thumbs drive,

Can you ever return to exactly where you were before? Given the state of many people's mental faculties, that's an inevitability.

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