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Nuts, the Latest Food RUINED by the Health Nuts

 
 
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 04:53 pm
If you prefer the taste of unsalted nuts, by all means, purchase them.

If you are avoiding them because of perceived health-risks involving salt, you have been conned or you are a nut yourself.

If you are leading a crusade against the evils of salt, you probably work for the government.

Scientific American

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For decades, policy makers have tried and failed to get Americans to eat less salt. In April 2010 the Institute of Medicine urged the U.S. Food and Drug Administration to regulate the amount of salt that food manufacturers put into products; New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg...convinced 16 companies to do so voluntarily. But if the U.S. does conquer salt, what will we gain? Bland french fries, for sure. But a healthy nation? Not necessarily.


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...a meta-analysis of seven studies involving a total of 6,250 subjects in the American Journal of Hypertension found no strong evidence that cutting salt intake reduces the risk for heart attacks, strokes or death in people with normal or high blood pressure.


Esquire

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For thirty years, salt has been Public Enemy No. 1 in the kitchens of the misguided and health-obsessed. Back in 1976, Jean Mayer, then president of Tufts University, called salt "the most dangerous food additive of all." Four years later, The New York Times linked excessive consumption of salt to high blood pressure, heart and kidney disease, and stroke. The die had been cast. Salt was an evil thing to be avoided at all costs.


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"Indeed, the controversy over the benefits, if any, of salt reduction now constitutes one of the longest running, most vitriolic, and surreal disputes in all of medicine," wrote Gary Taubes in Science.


NY Times

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“You can say without any shadow of a doubt,” as I was told then by Drummond Rennie, an editor for The Journal of the American Medical Association, that the authorities pushing the eat-less-salt message had “made a commitment to salt education that goes way beyond the scientific facts.”


The NIH got it into it's institutional brain that salt was bad for us, based on extremely limited evidence and the crusade was on. Despite growing evidence that salt did not present a significant health risk and certainly wasn't the "killer" so-called education efforts claimed, the government's crusade pressed on and the media joined the ranks.

It has been known for years now that the dangers of salt was a myth (I recall reading an article debunking the myth at least 10 years ago) but if you surveyed the American public on the matter, I am quite certain you would find that a majority of those polled (and a healthy sized majority at that) would be sure that salt presented a health risk...even though in their daily lives they ignored it.

If Health "Nuts" are, indeed, responsible for the removal of salted nuts from your supermarket shelves, they truly are nuts. This misinformation is still being peddled and, unfortunately acted upon (see reference to Mayor Nanny Bloomberg) and the nutty zeal of a few nutty organizations has even led, within recent years, to suits being filed against the FDA pushing for tight restriction of salt in American food products.

Some doctors have now opined that if anyone actually followed prior (and for all I know they may remain current) government recommendation on individual salt intake, they could easily find themselves in a heath crisis.

But the government told us salt was bad? Do you mean we can't trust the government to be giving us scientifically proven information?

So if you don't like salty nuts, don't eat them, but if you do, don't worry. The positive nutritional value of nuts is not being undermined by a proportionately greater danger of salt.

You won't get it on your store bought packaged nuts, but you might want to consider using unrefined salt on your home table. "Himalayan Salt" is colorful (grains range from light pink to red) and contains additional necessary minerals. It's a lot courser that refined table salt but you can purchase it in "grinder" bottles as you can with whole pepper corns. I find it "saltier" than refined salt so if you can't shake yourself free from the myths, you'll be consuming less.
farmerman
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 05:58 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
wow, did you have that all in cache? Outstanding stuff about the salt scare
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 06:26 pm
Some of us eat unsalted stuff because we prefer it that way. I like the taste of nuts. Salt is a distraction. But I am thinking that if we could get bags of salt balls on the market, they would sell better than Crackerjacks.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 08:04 pm
@edgarblythe,
edgarblythe wrote:

Some of us eat unsalted stuff because we prefer it that way. I like the taste of nuts. Salt is a distraction.


Gee, no kidding:

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If you prefer the taste of unsalted nuts, by all means, purchase them.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 08:20 pm
You have a way of turning an interesting thread into a wasteland of ****.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 08:49 pm
@edgarblythe,
Sorry edgar, I'm sure everyone was dying to hear again how you like your nuts.
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edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 08:57 pm
They shouldn't let you out unescorted.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 09:15 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

wow, did you have that all in cache? Outstanding stuff about the salt scare


No, sometime you just hit gold while doing a web search, and there's a lot more.

Like I wrote, I had read/or heard (can't remember which now) some guy debunk the myth at least 10 years ago, and whenever someone went on about how salt was so bad for your health I would bring it up. However since the myth has been so heavily pressed for so long, and by so many, most people trusted what they'd heard a million times over my account of a guy whose name I couldn't remember. I don't blame them. The myth has been accepted as fact for so long it was like telling them we never landed on the moon. Hell. even doctors were telling patients that they have to cut back on salt. Maybe some still are. To be fair there are some people who need to watch their sodium intake, so all the medical advice wasn't wrong, but when I was told I had a relatively mild case of hypertension, my doctor also told me I had to cut back on salt. This was a while back, but after I had heard the myth debunked. I never did and the hypertension didn't get worse. I exercised more, lost some weight and that did the trick.

In fact, just the other day I heard my wife tell our son he needed to cut down on salt.

It does make you wonder what else we're sure about that is baloney. It also makes me wonder why no one bothered to tell Bloomberg it was a crock when he pressured companies to cut back the salt in their products? It was known at the time.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 09:23 pm
@edgarblythe,
I know. When I leave the house dogs howl and mothers call their children in from playing. Birds fall out of skies that actually darken and the ground can be felt to tremble. I'm a very bad man, and unfortunately for you, Robert hasn't banned me from A2K.
edgarblythe
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 09:53 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
You certainly are a piece of ****. I have to agree with you there.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 10:07 pm
@edgarblythe,
But you on the other hand are just so damned nice. What kind of world allows me to enjoy my ill gotten gains, while a saint like you, who thinks all the right things, and says all the right things has to struggle? It's the kind of thing that might cause you to lose faith in God.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 25 Jun, 2014 10:55 pm
The question was asked what do I want the government to do about obesity:

run PSA's encouraging clean living and healthy food choices

continue to fund research science looking into the interaction of food and our bodies, and maybe exercise and our bodies.


and there you have it.


BTW I read an article today that scientists are increasingly concerned that kids are ingesting toxic levels of vitamin A.

I read of a study about 6 months ago that shows zero benefits of popping supplements to include vitamins, that they cost in health as much as they benefit health.

I read of a study about 6 months ago that claims that the whole concept of a " healthy food desert" in inner cities was always a myth

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But two new studies have found something unexpected. Such neighborhoods not only have more fast food restaurants and convenience stores than more affluent ones, but more grocery stores, supermarkets and full-service restaurants, too. And there is no relationship between the type of food being sold in a neighborhood and obesity among its children and adolescents.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/health/research/pairing-of-food-deserts-and-obesity-challenged-in-studies.html?_r=0

The government should pretty much shut up till it figures out the truth, and then it should not demand to decide what our food choices are.
farmerman
 
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Reply Thu 26 Jun, 2014 07:28 pm
@hawkeye10,
when we were working up ner Churchill many yers ago, there I a Canadian story about how some guys died from eating polar bear liver (Why anyone would want to eat a polar bears liver I hve no idea, but none of that is on my bucket list)
SO, guys eat liver from a polar bear an die, why? supposedly from the toxic levels of vitamin A in the organ.

I love livers from game birds but I never found out whether they had any toxic levels, an I just didn't worry about it.


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Quehoniaomath
 
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Reply Fri 18 Jul, 2014 03:57 am
@hawkeye10,
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The government should pretty much shut up till it figures out the truth, and then it should not demand to decide what our food choices are.


How I do agree! NOW, check 'Codex Alimentarius" please.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 01:04 am
So I get some Kirkland (costco) Cashews, 28 grams has 120 mg sodium. This is clearly not a ready to eat product. I pour them out into a pan, dump about 2 TB salad oil on them, toss, sprinkle with sea salt and creole seasoning and bake at 310 stirring once.

YUM

This clearly out of date nutrition website says that 28grams should have 180 MG sodium. These things have been deflavored, they are missing a third of the salt!

http://caloriecount.about.com/calories-cashew-nuts-dry-roasted-i12585

I think I was not supposed to notice.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 08:37 am
I remember reading years ago that salt only increased hypertension in some relatively small percentage of people (don't remember if that was in people that already had it or across the board - probably those who already had it).

Anyway, I don't eat a lot of packaged stuff, not so much re salt content though it really adds up in packages, but not wanting all the additives plus the costs of package items plus that I like to cook fresh food myself.
I don't worry about adding salt when I cook, use it as I wish to.

On nuts - I like raw almonds and walnuts out of the shells but also like salted and spiced nuts a lot. Cheaper to toast and spice my own, so I buy nuts raw. I do the slow oven toasted business (olive oil, salt, pepper, different types of chile, turmeric or curry powder, and so on.)

That fennel salt mentioned by hawkeye somewhere earlier sounds great to me and I'll try it. I put fennel in my bread dough sometimes, and in homemade sausage patties sometimes (it often being in ital sausages), but I never thought of putting ground fennel seeds with salt..
I've an old wooden (+ steel) coffee grinding contraption that I picked up in some thrift store and use to grind seeds. I think of that as a lucky buy - it's lasted forever.
Sturgis
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 09:02 am
Just done ate a handful of perfectly deeeeeeeeeeeeee-licous cashews. No salt added!
Later I plan to munch on some salt-less macadamia nuts.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 29 Oct, 2014 09:10 am
@ossobuco,
I just tried Pearlylustre's husband's microwave plan, and it worked. Very easy.

For me, seven oz. of raw almonds, teaspoon of salt, two shakes of med hot new mexico chile powder, 1 tablespoon water. I micro'd it three times for 20 seconds each, but naturally that'll vary depending on the microwave. Tasty, and salty enough for me.
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