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Overlay plans (new area code)

 
 
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 08:27 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Mame wrote:

Because the other one is so new, I think people would expect you to say that area code. If someone told me 7 digits, I'd assume is was the older area code.


I'm not meaning to argue, but that's not a good assumption to make.

Why would you assume they had an older number because they didn't say it, rather than they are just being too unaware/lazy/ignorant/stupid/assumptive themselves?
BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY NEW TO CALGARY, so.. if you said 737-0908, they would ASSUME or ASK, is that, "403?"... rather than if it's one of the new 587 numbers. which you'd give in whole.

Don't know how much clearer I can be.

The other umber Ceili refers to is not used in Calgary... it's an obvious "out of town" number.
Mame
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 08:29 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:



I'm not meaning to argue, but that's not a good assumption to make.

Why would you assume they had an older number because they didn't say it, rather than they are just being too unaware/lazy/ignorant/stupid/assumptive themselves?



Because if they had a 587 area code number, they'd say it... if they didn't, it's obvious they had one from the one before (403).
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 09:26 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:

chai2 wrote:



I'm not meaning to argue, but that's not a good assumption to make.

Why would you assume they had an older number because they didn't say it, rather than they are just being too unaware/lazy/ignorant/stupid/assumptive themselves?



Because if they had a 587 area code number, they'd say it... if they didn't, it's obvious they had one from the one before (403).


No, it wouldn't be obvious at all.

What would be obvious is that they didn't say their area code.

And, to me, the obvious thing would be for the listener to have to ask their area code was, in order to know.
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chai2
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 09:54 pm
@Mame,
Mame wrote:


BECAUSE IT'S RELATIVELY NEW TO CALGARY, so.. if you said 737-0908, they would ASSUME or ASK, is that, "403?"... rather than if it's one of the new 587 numbers. which you'd give in whole.

Don't know how much clearer I can be.



Why would you want to put another person in a position where they would either have to assume something which could be wrong, or the other choice, make them ask you which one it is?

Wouldn't it make more sense to just give you number fully and correctly the first time, so communication is clear from the start?

I'm not into guessing (assuming) games, or making the other person pull information out of me, putting the burden of collecting the correct information on them.

If someone asks me what my number is, I'll just say in a clear, understandable voice 512-xxx-xxxx. That way no one has to assume, or ask, and they won't have to have assumptions made about what I mean, and I won't be asked to further explain myself.


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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 10:01 pm
Because the majority of people here don't have the new code, and usually its reserved for cell phones. Most residences and businesses still use the original codes. Let's revisit this question in a year and see if it's normal to say all 10 digits... Doesn't matter where I've been in Canada, there's an assumption, if your number is different then you go all out, otherwise it business as usual.
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 10:08 pm
@Ceili,
Where I live now, at work, when I ask someone's phone number, I'd say a good 95% of the time, no exaggeration, they give the area code when they give me their number.

A few weeks ago, our receptionist was out sick for an extended period, and we took turns covering for her. Over 3 weeks I probably answered almost all the calls coming in for at least 6 or 7 days. At least, I'd say 300 calls. Almost every single person calling in gave their area code with their number, and probably 90% of them gave 512 as their code. We have to record the phone number of every single person and business that calls. That's the old code that's been around for years.

What can I say? People are already giving their codes around here the vast majority of the time. Next month we get the new code....I'd say in a year everyone will pretty much be giving whatever code they have as part of their number....they're already doing it.

Edit - almost all the non-business calls that come in, meaning from families of patients, their caregivers, or the patients themselves, come from their cell phones, regardless of their age. Hardly anyone calls from a land line anymore around here.

In fact, at work all the field people i.e. nurses, aides, social workers, chaplans, etc, when they come in just use their cells to make all their calls while they're in the office handing in paperwork, etc. Ditto with the sales people who come in and out, and the individual managers who because of their position are in and out. They never use the office phones, just their cells.
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Ceili
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 10:15 pm
There are many places here where people only give the last 4 digits as it's completely redundant to give the rest unless they have the new code. People are lazy, what can I say? It is what it is.
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 10:32 pm
@Ceili,
Are you saying that they don't even give the 3 digit refix?

I guess you have a very small population in your area?

I just looked it up, and 512 has 51 prefixes, each supporting 10,000 numbers, so 510,000 numbers.

There's no way that someone here could give just the last 4 numbers, and anyone would know what the rest of the number is.

Ah....Below is a cut and past from Wiki re the current and new area code, stating this started getting phased in back in Dec of 2012. That's 6 months ago, and if most people are giving their area codes already, and a new code is coming on in July, I'd guess they'll still be giving the area code in 6 more months, a year from the inital phase in.

Under current projections, 512 is expected to be exhausted by the end of 2013.[1][2] To relieve telephone exchanges in the Austin area, area code 737, overlying 512, will go into effect in July 2013. Ten-digit dialing within the 512 territory will be phased in beginning December 2012 and will be made mandatory by June 2013.[3]

Canada has a total population of 34 million. Texas itself has 26 million. I don't think Canadians are lazy, perhaps you don't have the same need.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 10:37 pm
@chai2,
It's definitely regional. There are 4 different area code options on my block. I would have to give my neighbours a 10-digit number if I gave them either of my numbers. Assuming they know my area code would be a huge mistake.

I consider it a common courtesy to provide the full 10-digit phone number upfront. It doesn't cost me anything to give them a number they can actually do something with - and it prevents aggravation for all of us.
chai2
 
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Reply Sat 1 Jun, 2013 10:39 pm
@ehBeth,
yes, that's the gist of it for me....preventing aggravation, and assumption.
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Foofie
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 06:48 pm
Assuming many/most calls are made from a cellphone, doesn't one just scroll to a respective phone number and then press on the option to call?

If one is calling from a land line or cordless, then how hard is it to memorize ten or eleven digits? Break them up into groups of three digits each; no?

With such a proliferation of new area codes, I'd start to wonder if advanced planning is being made to fill up empty space with new immigrants?
chai2
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 07:05 pm
@Foofie,
Foofie wrote:

Assuming many/most calls are made from a cellphone, doesn't one just scroll to a respective phone number and then press on the option to call?

If one is calling from a land line or cordless, then how hard is it to memorize ten or eleven digits? Break them up into groups of three digits each; no?




Didn't we cover all this already?
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Mame
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 07:11 pm
@Ceili,
Ceili wrote:

There are many places here where people only give the last 4 digits as it's completely redundant to give the rest unless they have the new code.


Exactly. There are so many tiny towns here where all phones, except for new ones, had the same prefix, and it was the same in Vancouver. You knew 929-xxxx was a North Vancouver number, and 922 was a West Vancouver one, and so on, so you just gave the last four digits. It's changing in Calgary, but it's one or the other at the moment, so if it's the former and you just give the 7, they know it's the older one. If it's the new one, you give the ten digits. It's not so much a matter of being lazy, but you're assuming some intelligence on their part as the new one is NEW and GOING to be different. When they get to having three or more area codes in the city, we'll all have to give all ten digits, but at the moment, it's not necessary. And I'm not the only one that does this - it's quite commonplace. At the library, when I ask someone to confirm their phone number, they do exactly the same thing --- 7 digits or 10.

Digression:
I remember, waaay back, when we had a single digit postal code Smile Now it's 6, and in some places in the States, they have their 5 digit and then an extension, as in 19408-2987.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 3 Jun, 2013 07:17 pm
@Mame,
I haven't memorized my last two postal codes (those last 4 digits) and I'm a pretty fair memorizer. No matter.
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