Somebody Tell Me This Is Just A Tasteless Joke........

Couldn't get there, ILZ - 404.

But, from the name, and your reaction, I assume it is one of the many paedophile sites spreading crap.

I would hazard a guess that it is, sadly, not a joke...

Can you tell us what you saw?

No, it's not a joke. I first heard about this group from a South Park episode and thought the same thing. It was later in a newspaper article that I found out they're real.
Rather sad that they're able to exist. And disgusting beyond words.

North American Man/Boy Love Association

On December 17, 1994., I was watching America's Most Wanted, when they aired a story concerning an organization called North American Man/Boy Love Association or NAMBLA. John Walsh stated "That he and the FBI has tried for years to stop NAMBLA, and that all members of NAMBLA are sexually abusing young boys." Stephen Davis Lewis was wanted for child sexual abuse and Leyland Stevenson who has been in prison for child pornography, said in his interview, that he and all the members have sex with young boys; they go to the park, library, and such, to pick up young boys for sex and there is nothing wrong with it."


NAMBLA was featured on America's Most Wanted again, this time they arrested Stephen Davis Lewis, he was with a 15 year old boy.

I received my membership package. It contained a NAMBLA Bulletin with hand drawings of young nude boys, and stories of men sexually abusing young boys. It also contained a list of reading material anyone can order by sending a check payable to Zymurgy Inc." I called the New York Secretary of State to check on Zymurgy Inc., and was told they were incorporated on September 9, 1994., as a Type B Non Profit Corporation. Which means it was incorporated to "foster" and "advance greater knowledge and understanding of human sexuality" through workshops and lectures. A Type B corporation in New York is the same as an IRS 501(c)3. This means that Zymurgy Inc., is granted special privileges including discounted postal rates, sales tax exemptions, and the right to solicit tax-deductible contributions. To sum it up, we (the taxpayers) are providing support to the people who sexually abuse our children. I ordered a copy of the Articles of Incorporation on Zymurgy Inc., for a list of directors and other information. I requested from American Express a copy of the negotiated $25.00 money order and received the copy with NAMBLA's bank account information (Apple Bank for Savings in New York City). I sent a request for the reading material, with an American Express money order, in the amount of $6.50, payable to Zymurgy Inc.

Upon reviewing the Articles of Incorporation it stated that the three directors were; Peter Melzer, an New York Teacher; Robert J Rhodes, an Veteran Administration clerk; and William Andriette, the editor of the NAMBLA Bulletin. All three are verified NAMBLA members, Melzer was suspended because of his membership. With this information I sent a letter to The New York State Department of Education (copy attached), with copies to: the Attorney General, Dennis C Vacco; the Governor, George E Pataki; and the Secretary of State, Alexandra Treadwell. After five weeks of numerous calls, there was no response. On May 30, 1995., I called again and left a message that if I didn't receive a call by the 31st, I would contact the media. On May 31st, I called Mike Gallagher, a reporter with the New York Post and gave him the information. On June 1st, the story appeared in the paper and I received a faxed response from the New York Department of Education (copy attached). It stated they turned this over to the Attorney General to dissolve Zymurgy Inc. Also, there was a press release from the Governor's office stating that New York would dissolve Zymurgy Inc. On June 2nd, Assistant Attorney General, Steven Hicks filed a petition to dissolve Zymurgy Inc., in New York State Supreme Court.

The following months I worked with the Assistant Attorney General to gather more information on Zymurgy Inc./NAMBLA. NAMBLA would have to answer to the court as to why Zymurgy Inc., shouldn't be dissolved. They lied on their application for incorporating Zymurgy Inc. If they had told the truth, they would not have been accepted for non profit status.

In July, 1995., as a member of NAMBLA I received a magazine called "Gayme". The content page stated "Gayme is currently published two times per year by Zymurgy Inc.," "Press run for this issue: 7000.," and "All nude models depicted herein are at least 18 years of age" That means there are 7,000 copies mailed. They also stated "Make checks payable to Zymurgy Inc. for purchase of additional magazines". The Gayme magazine contains 15 front nude photos of boys, and these boys appear to be between the ages of 12 through 16 years. In my opinion their disclaimer was false, therefore I immediately sent a copy to the Assistant Attorney General. When they received it, their opinion was the same. Thus, they filed a Amended Petition to include the Gayme Magazine.

In August, 1995., the judge made his decision to allow Zymurgy Inc., to retain their non profit status. When I received the judge's decision I could not believe it. I called Judge Robert D. Lippman, and asked him, "How?" "Just how could you make that decision after seeing the Gayme Magazine?" He said, "The magazine was not filed in his court." When I contacted the Attorney General, he said that it was filed and he sent me verification. Which indicated to me that the Judge didn't bother to look at the magazine before he made his decision. The Gayme Magazine is an example of Zymurgy's Inc., "Education in Human Sexuality." The Secretary of State, Dennis Vacco, in his press release stated that New York State would appeal the Judge's decision.





On November 14, 1996, the Attorney General of New York won their appeal against Zymurgy Inc./NAMBLA. The Appellate Court overturned Judge Robert D. Lippmann's decision, and dissolved Zymurgy Inc. Zymurgy Inc. was dissolved twice once by a new law and once by the Appellate Court. Now the Attorney General will do discovery, which will include the accountability of the money that was collected in the name of Zymurgy Inc., and if they find that NAMBLA used any of the charity money from Zymurgy Inc., for NAMBLA's operation then that will constitute charity fraud. I know that the State of New York will prosecute the three main NAMBLA people.

I received the copy of the negotiated American Express money order payable to Zymurgy Inc., the bank is located in Boston, Massachusetts. Now that Zymurgy, Inc., is not a non profit corporation, all their assets will be confiscated by New York State and the Attorney General has a bank account for their audit.


Facts About NAMBLA
NAMBLA members think that it is their right to have sex with boys
NAMBLA members think that they are loving the boys and not hurting them
NAMBLA members are a very serious threat to boys everywhere
NAMBLA instructs their members on how to sexually abuse boys and get away with it
NAMBLA member, Peter Melzer is a teacher at the Bronx High School of Science in NY
NAMBLA members try and pass themselves off as gay, they are not, they are pedophiles
NAMBLA was incorporated as Zymurgy, a non profit, in Delaware and Massachusetts
NAMBLA members will sexually abuse your boys if given the chance
NAMBLA members are located in the United States and other parts of the world
NAMBLA members work very hard at hiding who they really are
NAMBLA thinks that they are protected by the Constitution, their talk is, their actions are not
NAMBLA members find boys to sexually abuse at the park, the library, gamerooms and anywhere boys will be
Documentation
Judge Robert Lippmann's Decision Allowing Zymurgy/NAMBLA to keep Nonprofit Status
New York Senate Writes Bill to Dissolve Zymurgy, Governor Signs into Law
New York State Appellate Court Decision to Reverse Orders by Lippmann
New York Newspaper Articles and Press Releases

here is a page i found ...hope this helps...because this is about pedophilia and not homosexuality.

also this is their statement of purpose website...the original website seems to be deleted...which i think is a good thing.

Edit (Moderator): Links to Nambla are not permitted.

i guess it doesn't work either..but take my word for it it is crap...

I hate to say this, I really, really do.

Let me start by saying that I find NAMBLA just as disgusting and perverted as anyone else does. I don't condone what they do, and would prosecute to the fullest extent of the law if such an action was taken against one of my four boys.

That being said, I can't help but play devil's advocate.

Okay, I realize that not all of these kids are consenting adults. But the fact of the matter is there are going to be boys in this situation who are homosexual, and are wanting relationships with other men. That's fine. They have the right to have the relationships they want. If the boys (and when I say boys, I do mean young men over, say 16 years of age, but still children) do want a homosexual relationship with an older man. Would it be abuse then? Or statuatory rape?

Think about it. You're 18, 19 years old. You're b/f is under 18. 16, maybe 17 years old. Technically, you're just as guilty of child abuse here as you would be if your s/o was not the same sex as you. And how many people do we know that have a s/o on the other side of that age line? Quite a few, I'm sure.

Now, I'm all for prosecuting those that are doing this and it's not consensual. But I have a hard time condeming them if it is indeed a consensual that both parties want to be in.

Ah, now the sticky part. . . how do you define consensual? Can a twelve year-old have that kind of relationship with a 20 year old? I don't think so. Would you consent to having a 20 year old guy go out with your 12 year old daughter? How about 14? 16? Maybe a 16 year old daughter. But I would watch both like hawks, and they would never be alone together.

Now, before you start flaming, look back to what I read and try and get my point. I'm not advocating NAMBLA. On the contrary, shutting them down would make me happy. Rather, I'm concerned for those few who technically fall under this discription, but in fact are not part of it.

Truth to tell, I can't see many 12 year olds going out and joining this so they have a boyfriend.

Edit (Moderator): Links to Nambla are not permitted. This link is the google cache of it, and most of the links work, for now.

The thing is turner, i do not think it is about homosexuality at all...there are gay organizations for young people..this falls into a different class if you ask me...I was involved with ufmcc for over 13 years and we never condoned NAMBLA...I think i found the site where GLAAD also denounces NAMBLA...this is more about pedophilia than homosexuality. (imho)

Just so everybody knows, posting links to sites like NAMBLA is a violation of the contract made with A2K's advertisers. Discuss all you want, but any links posted will most likely be removed eventually. I agree with willow, NAMBLA is an organization that uses skewed logic to justify pedophilia. To associate it with homosexuality as a lifestyle choice is akin to saying that all homsexuals are also pedophiles.

I agree willow. . . it is more about pedophilia than homosexuality.

To confound the two is like confounding heterosexuality with the rape of small girls.

Exactly my point! Where does it stop being rape and start being consensual sex?

But, I fear, my original thought was lost in my ramblings.

At the age of consent. Generally. Unless it is without consent with a person of or above that age - then it is rape.

I suggest you google NAMBLA and check the site out for yourself. It is nothing obscene but I honestly couldn't accurately describe it. It amounts to organized pedaphlia.

The site is full of men discussing thier love for young boys and bemoaning the fact that society frowns upon them. They write articles about thier loving relationships with children (that just happen to include sex). Some articles are written by men who are fondly recalling thier own sexual abuse as a child at the "loving hands of a man."

They seem to be fighting for the right to sexually abuse children.....except they don't even see it as abuse. They see it as a sort of mutually benificial loving relationship that just happens to be outside the confines of normal society....like homosexuality.

It is..... demented.

ILZ has it absolutely right about groups like NAMBLA. I just wish there were more effective ways to prosecute these sickos.

Is Michael Jackson the founding member and chief benefactor?

LOL! I hadn't really looked at what the letters made, and seen that they made NAMBLA.

It is famous. Yes, it is organized paedophilia - and this is the line they sell themselves - that little kiddies (in this case boys - lots of sites are about little girls) want, need and love them - it is only the unenlightened who make life hard for the flowering of this activity.

The first time I heard about NAMBLA was yesterday on CNN, when a woman opposing the gay marriage amendment said "Where does it end? If we allow gay marriages, whats next, NAMBLA?"

In all honesty, for better or worse, I can't help but draw a parallel between NAMBLA's brand of pedaphilia and homosexuality. Both are unnatural expressions of human sexuality. Also, it seems to me that NAMBLA's struggle for acceptance is similar to where the gay-rights movement was about thirty years ago; considered disgusting by most in society; shadowy; not spoken of except in the context of total abhorrance.

Thirty years ago nobody would have ever suspected homosexuality would be so widespread. Now, with the gay rights movement in full swing, we know that there are literally millions of homosexual people in America alone. The implication is easy to see. It makes you wonder just how many pedophiles (or boy-lovers, as they call themselves) are there really out there? Hundreds of thousands? Millions?

Now, there are some fundamental differences, as well. First and foremost, man/boy love involves kids rather than consenting adults. But, even so, it appears that at least some of these kids enjoy it. Kirk Ried, as well respected journalist, recently wrote a book about his experiance of growing up gay, in it he wrote:



Clearly, this is a multi-facted issue.

Thoughts?

Nuhnuhnuh...

The consenting adults thing is a really huge difference. HUGE.

I'll let dlowan get into why, child development, etc. (I started to, I gotta get to bed, she knows more anyway.)

But the consenting adults thing is not an aside, it's the very center of it all. HUGE difference.

I'm not setting it aside. I think NAMBLA is demented and morally repugnant. However, there are some interesting parallels to be drawn, as I alluded to in my previous post. Also, I would submit - and keep in mind this is not an attempt to justify NAMBLA - that some of the kids are capable of, and willing to, consent. For example, see what was written in the quote from Mr. Read's book.