Nonexistance

...yes...the absence of something must be reported to something...the pleonasm there's nothing to nothingness says it all...if no thing exists no thing is absent...absence itself reports the need for something from something which is not present at a given time...such need probably imply a previous relational bound...

...Lets not leave the idiots out of the talk shall we, lets clarify it further then...if there's nothing to be in place a priori, there's nothing to be missed consequently, that is, there's nothing absent...again an absence recognizes or implicates on its very core concept, a previous presence, something that went missing, reason why there is no practical meaning in the conception of an absolute timeless absence...
...the first thing it comes to mind when someone reports an absence is immediately to ask what what is absent ? if nothing is absent because nothing exists yet in order to have the chance of becoming absent naturally there´s no absence to be reported, not even someone with the need to report or to report it to...

This sounds sensible to me. But if it is true of "nothing", isn't it also true of "something"?
It all leads back to the somewhat cryptic statement that "reality doesn't exist without someone or something to say that it does".



Alternatively, the presence of something must be reported to something in order to be presence. "Reality" is a symbiotic relationship in which the observed is given existence through the observer.

Keep in mind that I am referring to a function of language regarding having knowledge upon something... your conclusion goes a step further and is not my conclusion...

Perhaps... Think about it, if you want.

I found that putting more tobacco with it can help with the type of issue this thread appears to be concerned with.

You're stoned, right?

...with or without tobacco do you have an opinion on the matter or are you just talk ?

...in the light on what previously was said absence just as presence is a function for communicating knowledge regarding the first most important state of an object...we say that the object is absent when we have knowledge that the object is no longer present although its disappearing won't alter the unchangeable truth of its previous presence, thus its absent because it existed in the first place, otherwise it would be simply non existent, and obviously we would have nothing to say about it...it follows there's no such thing as absence without particular or general targets hence such statement is absolutely meaningless when posed in an absolute frame of work...with nothingness we have the same problem nothingness simply means there is no correspondence between what is being assessed and an actual state in the world, instead of meaning that nothingness is some sort of empty thing in itself...even space which is described as empty of concrete objects is fulfilled with the potential of allowing movement or transit in it and thus is not absolutely empty as true emptiness wouldn't allow any sort of potential or any sort of action...
...the final conclusion is that the usage of this words beyond its practical intended original meaning can lead to deep confusion regarding the workings of reality and the world we live in...not to mention philosophical nonsense...

...further still same thing could be reasoned regarding what Zero is reporting...as I see it Zero is a state of equilibrium between opposing forces/principles/potentials rather then the absence of any force/principle/potential at work...zero reports a transitional state on which a potential function is null due to the equilibrium of opposing proportional vectors...an absolute Zero would never reach any other state...

...for instance while this thread is presently evaluated at zero value that in turn doesn't mean that it is not full of potential meaning but rather that there is an equal opposing force regarding the comprehension of its readers...

Physicists say that even a "perfect" vacuum as classically imagined contains a seething sea of potential particles that pop in and out of existence for very short (Planck scale) periods of time. The effect they have on macro scale physical objects has been measured (in 1948) and is called the Casimir Effect.

..very much true...and it fits the general idea perfectly...thanks for bring it up.
Some of this particles also called virtual particles actually play a very important role on the edge of event horizons in black holes...Hawking's radiation comes to mind...