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Benjamin Franklin quote

 
 
Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 04:18 pm
“A Man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
― Benjamin Franklin

If this is true, why do we debate?
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boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 04:50 pm
I enjoy a good argument.

Sometimes I'm trying to get another to agree with me but mostly I just like to hear other people's ideas and opinions.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 05:05 pm
@boomerang,
I enjoy a good argument.

Sometimes I'm trying to get another to agree with me but mostly I just like to hear other people's ideas and opinions.>>

I do too. Let's hope that Ben is wrong, or that he was the only one back then that had an opinion.
boomerang
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 05:11 pm
@Rickoshay75,
I'm not at all sure that someone can be convinced against their will.

I think sometimes people play along that they've been convinced and I think that might have been what Franklin was getting at.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 06:06 pm
@boomerang,
I think sometimes people play along that they've been convinced and I think that might have been what Franklin was getting at.

You're probably right. I often refrain from responding to hot button issues because it could kill any response.
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PUNKEY
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 12:06 pm
I hate to compromise. I always feel that i'm being manipulated.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 01:51 pm
@PUNKEY,
I hate to compromise. I always feel that i'm being manipulated. >>

You feel this way about every issue, including politics?
chai2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 02:15 pm
@PUNKEY,
PUNKEY wrote:

I hate to compromise. I always feel that i'm being manipulated.



What if during the discussion you learn something that would make changing your opinion the most rational thing?

Anyway, I don't equate changing your opinion with compromising.

Since both, or all parties are willing to work with each other by voluntarily giving something up, I see compromise as a win/win, as it strengthens relationships for the betterment of each other.

Manipulation would be if you had to give up something, and one or more parties didn't.
tsarstepan
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 02:28 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:

“A Man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.”
― Benjamin Franklin

I wonder if Mr. Franklin had taken into the account the subject of person's who have been waterboarded or tortured in other ways perhaps when figuring out this platitude. Brainwashing is a strong way to change someone's mind I hear.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 03:17 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rick, if there is a 'Quote' button above the comment you are replying to, it might be helpful to use it, instead of pasting the response. Just for the sake of clarity, you know.

If you don't have a quote button, go to your preferences page and check the option.
Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 03:41 pm
@tsarstepan,
I wonder if Mr. Franklin had taken into the account the subject of person's who have been waterboarded or tortured in other ways perhaps when figuring out this platitude. >>

Hard to say. I read that people being tortured will do or say anything to get them to stop, but when it's ll over, do they go back to being what they were before?

Brainwashing is a strong way to change someone's mind I hear. >>

Jones suicides was said to be mass brainwashing, also Heavens gate, but maybe those situations were gullibility, not belief changes.
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 03:54 pm
@roger,
If you don't have a quote button, go to your preferences page and check the option.

Thanks... Got it, but how do I apply it?
chai2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 05:59 pm
@Rickoshay75,
Rickoshay75 wrote:

If you don't have a quote button, go to your preferences page and check the option.

Thanks... Got it, but how do I apply it?


you click the quote button on the post of the person you want to quote, and it appears as above.
chai2
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 05:59 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Rickoshay75 wrote:

If you don't have a quote button, go to your preferences page and check the option.

Thanks... Got it, but how do I apply it?


you click the quote button on the post of the person you want to quote, and it appears as above.


you can also double quote, etc.
roger
 
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Reply Tue 13 Mar, 2012 06:56 pm
@chai2,
Great. Now, it's so easy to see what Rick said, and what chai added.
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Rickoshay75
 
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Reply Mon 26 Mar, 2012 02:53 pm
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

PUNKEY wrote:

I hate to compromise. I always feel that i'm being manipulated.



What if during the discussion you learn something that would make changing your opinion the most rational thing?

Anyway, I don't equate changing your opinion with compromising.

Since both, or all parties are willing to work with each other by voluntarily giving something up, I see compromise as a win/win, as it strengthens relationships for the betterment of each other.


Good, I agree. Now if we can only get our politicians to see it the same way
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