Barry Goldwater Father Of Modern Conservatism

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and evidently hater of conservative Christians

“I think every good Christian ought to kick Falwell right in the ass.”

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Not sure if you are just kidding here, BVT, but if you are serious, you are more than likely also wrong.

I think he was saying (and I agreed with him) that Jerry Falwell was way out of line in much of what he said. It was a colorful way of saying it, but that was the way Barry Goldwater worked.

I certainly think he hated the hypocrisy of some conservative Christians (especially people like Falwell), but I doubt he hated conservative Christians as a whole.

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you're not catching on today at all Frank.

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@blueveinedthrobber,

Same comment as in the last thread, BVT.

I honestly am not "getting it."

Tell me what you are trying to say...I really want to know.

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@Frank Apisa,

http://www.liberalslikechrist.org/about/Goldwater.html

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In his 1980 Senate reelection campaign, Goldwater won support from religious conservatives but in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

but I doubt he hated conservative Christians as a whole.

given some of John Dean's later comments, I'd suggest that this was a polite view of how Goldwater viewed conservative Christians

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Goldwater took stands late in his career that could be considered "liberal," but that was largely the result of the national dialogue on many issues moving sharply to the right. And given Goldwater's late-in-life persona as a feisty frontier libertarian, it's easy to forget just how radically out-of-touch he was as a candidate in the 1964 election. The US is a much, much better place for having elected Johnson rather than Goldwater.

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@ehBeth,

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In his 1980 Senate reelection campaign, Goldwater won support from religious conservatives but in his final term voted consistently to uphold legalized abortion and, in 1981, gave a speech on how he was angry about the bullying of American politicians by religious organizations, and would "fight them every step of the way".

Beth, as Joe points out in his post, Goldwater made significant adjustments in his his thinking during his late political life...mostly occasioned (I think) by the rightward lurch of conservatism that his earlier political life helped to create.

That does not detract from what I said up above that BVT seems to be taking issue with. All I am trying to do is to figure out the subtlety in his post that I am missing.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

Same comment as in the last thread, BVT.

I honestly am not "getting it."

Tell me what you are trying to say...I really want to know.

Everyone of these posts I made is me saying in my way how far to the right the GOP has moved. I was a republican once, when they weren't ******* crazy religious fanatics who sucked wealthy's dicks all the livelong day. I hope that clears it up Mr. Green

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@joefromchicago,

boy, no argument here.

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@joefromchicago,

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And given Goldwater's late-in-life persona as a feisty frontier libertarian, it's easy to forget just how radically out-of-touch he was as a candidate in the 1964 election. The US is a much, much better place for having elected Johnson rather than Goldwater.

Absolutely!

I am happy Goldwater managed to see some of the folly of his earlier ways and stands and the toxic results of his impact--and I am even happier he was able to acknowledge this enlightenment...but in 1964, he deserved the beating LBJ gave him.

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@Frank Apisa,

Frank Apisa wrote:

All I am trying to do is to figure out the subtlety in his post that I am missing.

there's no sublety there ... the whole freaking country slid off to the crazy side of right ... leaving Republicans from decades ago apparently sitting on the left side of the U.S. political spectrum

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@blueveinedthrobber,

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Everyone of these posts I made is me saying in my way how far to the right the GOP has moved. I was a republican once, when they weren't ******* crazy religious fanatics who sucked wealthy's dicks all the livelong day. I hope that clears it up

It does indeed...and I am sorry I missed your point, because I could not agree with you more. Thanks.

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@ehBeth,

beth I think there are such things as conservative Christians just as moderate republicans who still believe in such things as caring for the less fortunate, plowshares preferred over swords and separation of Church and state. I just think they've all gone underground for fear of being stoned to death in the public square as heretics by todays conservative "christians" (small c)

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@blueveinedthrobber,

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beth I think there are such things as conservative Christians just as moderate republicans who still believe in such things as caring for the less fortunate, plowshares preferred over swords and separation of Church and state. I just think they've all gone underground for fear of being stoned to death in the public square as heretics by todays conservative "christians" (small c)

There may be a lot more truth in what you said there than most of us feel comfortable acknowledging, BVT. But just as we have to demand that the moderate Islamist take actions to get their more militant members under control...we have to demand that moderate Christians get these other people under control. Much easier for insiders to straighten out those kinds of messes than outsiders, who often come off looking as though they are protesting their oxen being gored.

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