Electric car charging at the condo outlet: who pays?

@Butrflynet,

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Who gets charged now when a tenant needs to charge a dead battery in their gas-fueled car and plugs it into a portable battery charger for the night?

Good point, BFN.

This fellow obviously isn't using a block heater. What about the pansies that use an interior car warmer?

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@engineer,

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It would probably take a decent electrician less than an hour to rewire the outlet so that it powers from the apartment instead of the public line then there is no issue.

I don't believe there is any "public" line, E. All electricity, including that which powers the plug ins in the parking areas are common condo property.

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Condo rules state Nemat could plug in a block heater for a conventional car, which requires similar power, at no cost.

That's what is so unfair about this. There likely are people plugging in block heaters, in-car warmers and battery blankets.

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http://www.fortisalberta.com/Default.aspx?cid=359&lang=1
According to the site above a block heater using:
1000 kw for 30 days @ 12 a day will use 360 KWh for $54.00 p/month
600 kw for 30 days @ 12 a day will use 218 KWh for 32.40 p/month.
http://www.infosecisland.com/blogview/9908-Electric-Cars-Identities-and-Peak-Saver-Programs.html
This site talks about some of the problems of charging cars.
“When plugged into a standard 120-volt socket, the electric car will draw 1,500 watts. By comparison, a medium-sized air conditioner or a countertop microwave oven will draw about 1,000 watts."
At this rate, according to the calculator it would cost about $81.00 for a month of similar use as the block heaters, in Edmonton. We also have plug-ins at most offices and homes.
What also needs to be considered is that at most of the Condos here, at least, parking is not included in condo fees but a separate charge on top of rent/mortgage, utilities etc.
What surprises me is that they don't already have separate electric metres for each condo already. There are very few condos or rental units here that don't already have this, unless the building is very old.

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The condo association is just showing their power. One guy plugging in his car vs how many people plugging in block heaters and whatnot. Even if he uses a block heater as well (for some reason), he OFFERED TO PAY for charging his car. What's the guy supposed to do?? Run an extension cord from his condo?? What were the options they gave him? Did they give any? What exactly is their objection?

I was a strata agent for condos for a time and I ran into this sort of **** all the time. Oh, dogs are allowed, but only small ones under so many pounds. Well, what if you have a really fat, heavy small dog? Kick it out? Oh, cats are allowed, but what if you want to have 4? Want to show your patriotism and hang a flag from your balcony on Canada Day? Disallowed!

This is completely heavy-handed of the association - where is their attempt to be reasonable? What's the rest of the story?

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@Mame,

They're all jealous 'cause they can't afford a cool electric vehicle.

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@DrewDad,

And I wonder how the vote went down on council about this. Maybe not everyone on it is an asshole.

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The underlying and more pertinent concern is how are these electric cars doing anything to reduce Co2 emissions?

When compared to a gas powered vehicle they seem wonderful, but where are they getting their power from?

Coal.

We can't use coal (it's so filthy) and we can't use nuclear energy (it's filthy for so long) so where are we going to get the electricity to power these Volts?

Because the Left wishes to back Obama's call for "investment in infrastructure" (aka stimulus) Lefties are now in love with the Hoover Dam. The reality is that the Hoover Dam generates about 1/3 of the power a single nuclear facility can produce.

As if the Hoover Dam could ever be built in 2012...thanks to the Lefties.

Check out how many workers died building the Hoover Dam and the catastrophic effect it had on the local ecology.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Power in Ontario is called hydro for a reason..

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@Ceili,

Ceili wrote:

Power in Ontario is called hydro for a reason..

Yes, because it is generated by water. (Luckily both of us know that hydro means water).

Ontario can call it whatever they please but it can't match the efficency of nuclear energy and it always requires dams, and dams alway wreck havoc on local ecologies.

But who cares?

It sounds natural and cool and we can ignore what it takes to get it because no one associates black smoke with it.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

When compared to a gas powered vehicle they seem wonderful, but where are they getting their power from?

in the case of the fellow in Ottawa that the OP was about - it's OPG - Ontario Power Generation - primarily hydro - Ontario's all about water power

the big project right now is

http://www.opg.com/power/hydro/new_projects/ntp/index.asp

the OP's posts generating stations are

http://www.opg.com/power/hydro/ottawa_st_lawrence/

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OPG's Ottawa/St. Lawrence Plant Group operates 10 generating stations, three control dams and several spillways on the St. Lawrence, Ottawa and Madawaska rivers in Eastern Ontario. Once important routes for exploration, fur trading and logging, these rivers are now a valued source of hydroelectric power and also serve many environmental, recreational and commercial purposes.

http://www.opg.com/power/images/pic_stewartville.jpg

Chats Falls - probably the closest generating station to Ottawa

http://www.opg.com/power/images/pic_chatfalls.jpg

in service since 1931

http://www.opg.com/power/hydro/ottawa_st_lawrence/chats_falls.asp

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@ehBeth,

Yes and hydro-power is so ecologically friendly.

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@ehBeth,

http://www.opg.com/safety/

Sustainable development info.

Friends of mine have had contracts doing some of the environmental assessments in advance of work done in the region. OPG's reasonably responsible.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

OPG does quite a good job in terms of the local environments.

Nuclear wouldn't be a bad option as there are uranium mines not too far from Ottawa but replacing the infrastructure is probably more than we can afford right now.

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@ehBeth,

About 50% of Ontario's power currently comes from nuclear power plants - just not in the Ottawa area. The two existing plants are about 30 - 35 minutes drive east of Toronto.

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Yup, just a bunch of Canadian leftist companies adding power to the grid.

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@ehBeth,

You mean, you Canadians don't spend what you can't afford?

Incredible, but I doubt the idea is contageous.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

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As if the Hoover Dam could ever be built in 2012...thanks to the Lefties.

It isn't just a theory, in actual reality it's possible to be a lefty without being a Gaea worshiper. FDR was a lefty and he BUILT dams and infrastructure; the only thing in the world he'd ever have done with any of these shit4brains Gaea-worshipers who want to tear dams down for the sake of snails and lizards would have been putting them in cages and charging people to look at them.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Finn dAbuzz wrote:

As if the Hoover Dam could ever be built in 2012...thanks to the Lefties.

that's actually quite a funny comment, as new hydoelectric projects are under development in the great white north of Canuckistan

hydroelectric AND nuclear - gotta wonder why it's happening here in the great socialist land of the tundra

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@ehBeth,

Shhh, reality sucks...

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Ceili and Beth, wouldn't you like to start a Canada thread in the spirit of MsOlga's Australia thread? Your country is a living refutation of US movement conservatism. No creation myths in classrooms, no capital punishment, no banking crisis thanks to smart regulation. You do, however, have gay marriage and Medicare for all. And even so, you're not going to hell, as any conservative traveler from the US can quickly verify. How annoying that must be for them! Annoying and enlightening. (I approve of both.)

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