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Should the Post Office Be Allowed to Default and/or Go Out of Business?

 
 
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:28 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Well we had a saying in the Navy
"Don't get in a fight with a pig: you both get dirty, but the pig likes it."

Sometimes I observe it.

The fact was you asserted that the Obama stimulus was of some economic benefit as a contradiction of my proposition that it, and many other of Obama's economic initiatives, were burdened with adverse side effects that outweighed any benefits involved. Your assertion itself was a disimulation in that it doesn't contradict my proposition at all. You merely pretended it did because it protected you from addressing some unpleasant (to you) facts.

The very article you so loudly cited as proving me wrong provided indications that the cost/job created in the Obama stimulus was about $300,000, and that the net new economic activity (contribution to GDP) created by the program was about $350 billion. That is less than half of the cost of the goddam program and the resulting increase in our public debt ! It would be very hard to spend $700-$800 billions of dollars on anything without some beneficial effect. However it takes a good deal of stupidity and wasteful bureaucracy to get less than fifty cents on the dollar from it. That was precisely one of the adverse economic side effects to which I was referring. There are more.

Instead of addressing these points you merely repeated your boastful assertions and pasted more links - and did do without apparently thinking about the content of the ideas in contention at all.

Don't interpret my silence as giving up on the points in question. More like giving up on you.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:31 pm
@georgeob1,
georgeob1 wrote:

Well we had a saying in the Navy
"Don't get in a fight with a pig: you both get dirty, but the pig likes it."

Sometimes I observe it.


Funny, I was just thinking the same thing myself.

I'm going to take a break from your brand of bullshit for a while, George. I think I'll institute a new policy: I'll reply to various posts of yours pointing out your myriad and persistent factual errors, but never to anything you write to me. That way, I can set the record straight for readers of these threads, but not have to directly deal with your refusal to take even an ounce of responsibility for your intellectual laziness.

Cycloptichorn
georgeob1
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 05:35 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
Apparently even now you are unable to address the very specific points I raised in response to something you posted as "proof" of your assertions.

One measure of an individual's worth is how he deals with disagreement.

Retreat is sometimes advisable, but it is usually better to cover it more effectively than that.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 06:05 pm
@tsarstepan,
That's interesting, never knew that.
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JPB
 
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Reply Thu 15 Sep, 2011 06:21 pm
Postal Service Proposes Sweeping Changes

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Proposals under consideration include studying nearly 250 processing facilities for possible consolidation or closure, reducing mail processing equipment by as much as 50 percent, dramatically decreasing the nationwide transportation network, adjusting the workforce size by as many as 35,000 positions, and revising service standards for First-Class Mail.

“We are forced to face a new reality today,” said Postmaster General Patrick Donahoe. “First-Class Mail supports the organization and drives network requirements. With the dramatic decline in mail volume and the resulting excess capacity, maintaining a vast national infrastructure is no longer realistic. Since 2006, we have closed 186 facilities, removed more than 1,500 pieces of mail processing equipment, decreased employee complement by more than 110,000 through attrition and reduced costs by $12 billion.”

Mail volume has declined by more than 43 billion pieces in the past 5 years and is continuing to decline. First-Class Mail has dropped 25 percent and single piece First-Class Mail — letters bearing postage stamps — has declined 36 percent in the same timeframe, and nearly 50 percent in the past ten years. The decline has created substantial excess capacity within the postal processing network.

The mail processing network itself was constructed to process and deliver First-Class Mail within a 1–3 day window depending on where the mail is sent and delivered. With the proposed change, the new service standard would become 2–3 days, meaning that on average, customers would no longer receive mail the day after it was mailed. If implemented, the change in service standards would allow for significant infrastructure changes to be made across the nation.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2011 09:59 am
@chai2,
chai2 wrote:

Are these parcels needed things, like medical supplies, or that you really need immediately?


Two nice examples from today:
• yesterday evening the misus suddenly remembered that she needed a book as present for today in the afternoon. Amazon didn't have it on stock, but a different online bookseller. The book arrived this morning, with the rgular post.
• I had ordered a couple of days ago the copy of a document, which mentions our family the first time (in 1287). Got a response this week that the scanning could last a couple of weeks since the scanner was broken.
This afternoon, the cd with the scanned document arrived - delivered by one of the private postal services .... and that really made my weekend!
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InfraBlue
 
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Reply Sat 17 Sep, 2011 10:55 am
I agree with MontereyJack. A letter will cost five bucks or more to mail if the postal service were to become privatized.
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