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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

What separates me from a man of my age in 1971?

well the pot is better today

but the psychedelics (acid, mescaline) were probably better then

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@Setanta,

ah, memories

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

failures art wrote:
What separates me from a man of my age in 1971?

Forty years.

Foofie's a self-righteous phony and an idiot. I don't understand why you waste your time on him. I've stood at a position of attention with my rifle raised above my head for thirty minutes at a time. All it proved was that the drill sergeants were sadistic assholes.

I do not agree. Basic training is a sort. Those who wash out will not at least be put in a situation, I believe, where other lives could be jeopardized by one's less that soldierly abilities. Drill Sergeants were just doing their job. Also, you could have enlisted in another branch of the military (as I did), and then you would likely not have had that particular stress test.

And please don't use the word "self-righteous," since some readers might think you are projecting. That would not be true.

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@Foofie,

Sarcasm is a function of speech, it requires certain tones and inflections. The word you're looking for is irony. I'm not at all surprised that you don't understand the difference. There's a lot of other things you don't understand, way too numerous to list here.

By the way I wasn't being ironic. The only difference between you and someone like Heidrich is how you define trash. He was a **** as well.

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@Foofie,

So you were a coward who couldn't face the prospect of combat--and now you make snotty remarks to Failures about it. That's evidence, if any more were needed, just what a self-righteous phony you are. And the drill sergeants weren't doing their job. At no time in my service did i encounter a situation in which i, or anyone else, needed to be able to hold a loaded M14 over the head for 30 minutes. The drill sergeants were sadistic assholes, and you're an idiot.

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@Setanta,

Our drill sergeants were more sarcastic than anything else. Some of them were really very witty. They would throw in a gag when giving you a bollocking, then punish you relentlessly if you smiled or laughed. We used to have to hold SLRs over our heads, but the principle's the same.

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@Setanta,

Setanta wrote:

So you were a coward who couldn't face the prospect of combat--and now you make snotty remarks to Failures about it. That's evidence, if any more were needed, just what a self-righteous phony you are. And the drill sergeants weren't doing their job. At no time in my service did i encounter a situation in which i, or anyone else, needed to be able to hold a loaded M14 over the head for 30 minutes. The drill sergeants were sadistic assholes, and you're an idiot.

Coward? I took my older brother's advice from his time in the Army during Korea. But, I better served in another branch, since I did want to be with what I considered a better class of young men. A more homogeneous group, I believed, from mostly middle class backgrounds. Many were college dropouts that also did not care for being drafted. Oh, yes, and fairly WASPy. A good sociological expedition also. And, yes, I did not have any desire to shoot at Vietnamese people, since they were not a threat to our way of life, I believed.

Are you defining all non-Army enlistees as "cowards"? That would be silly, since today, to protect the U.S. we need the other branches of the service. But, why would you comment on my cowardice? As a timid Jew, I thought you would not question my cowardice? Are you ignoring my stereotype? I would never ignore your stereotype. For shame.

While you refer to me as a coward for avoiding the Army, how do you feel about all the college students with their 2-S deferments? I guess you have a very rigid concept of what makes for a good citizen. And now you are not even CONUS? Too much cognitive dissonance in relating to you.

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@Foofie,

I believe Setanta wasn't talking about stereotypical Jews, he was talking about stereotypical shits. You fit that stereotype to a T.

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@izzythepush,

Word

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

I believe Setanta wasn't talking about stereotypical Jews, he was talking about stereotypical shits. You fit that stereotype to a T.

So we all can be clear that izzie doesnt succomb to the nasty use of stereotypes. Laughing

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

Our drill sergeants were more sarcastic than anything else. Some of them were really very witty. They would throw in a gag when giving you a bollocking, then punish you relentlessly if you smiled or laughed. We used to have to hold SLRs over our heads, but the principle's the same.

I just saw thsi. Our drill sergeant was a sadistic piece of ****, and most of them that i saw were. The best of them, the Senior Drill Sergeants were just tough, and they wanted us to be tough.

This guy was a prick. We had been at the rifle range all day, and as we were marching back to the company area, he called us worthless motherf***ers. Someone in that back of the column called out "Keep your mother out of my yard and i'll keep my yard out of your mother." That was a pretty standard answer to that in those days. So he halted us in the road, had us come to attention, and then ordered us to raise out weapons over our heads. These were M14 rifles, and they're damned heavy. We stood there for more than 30 minutes because nobody would confess and nobody was going to rat anybody out to that piece of ****. The company commander came by with another platoon, sent them on, and then asked our drill seargeant what was going on. He couldn't tell him without admitting what he'd called us. The CO ordered us to ground our weapons, and then took the sergeant aside and had a talk with him. He was still a prick, but he never called us that again.

I think that there was an unspoken policy in the army in thiose days that NCOs who were a problem were transferred from front line units back stateside, where they were assigned as drill sergeants--the army was stretched pretty thin in those days. The United States Army was a mess in 1970.

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@Setanta,

I was only in the terretorials, but my abiding memories are of CS gas, and lying in ****.

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@Foofie,

Foofie wrote:

Are you defining all non-Army enlistees as "cowards"? That would be silly, since today, to protect the U.S. we need the other branches of the service.

Then why call me a "pussycat?" I work in defense here in DC. I sit in a room for 12 hours a day with other people--some of whom wear military uniforms. Even if I took a different route, I ended up in the same place as people you consider somehow more inherently tough or brave. Moreover, my job doesn't rest, so I work on nights and on holidays just like troops.

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@failures art,

failures art wrote:

Foofie wrote:

Are you defining all non-Army enlistees as "cowards"? That would be silly, since today, to protect the U.S. we need the other branches of the service.

Then why call me a "pussycat?" I work in defense here in DC. I sit in a room for 12 hours a day with other people--some of whom wear military uniforms. Even if I took a different route, I ended up in the same place as people you consider somehow more inherently tough or brave. Moreover, my job doesn't rest, so I work on nights and on holidays just like troops.

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I did not refer to you. I used the word, "many." You can go back and read the post that included the reference to pussycats. We need more Americans like yourself, I believe.

It would be nice if you could affect a little more respect for George, since as I understand it, his career in the Navy was quite impressive.

Also, you may need to understand me in context of the fact that when my grandparents came here from Czarist Russia 130 or so years ago, the common complaint then was, when were "those Jews" going to assimilate. Well, 130 years later my grandparents grandchild (aka, Foofie) is assimilated to the point of having adopted many of the social class concepts of WASP America. So, I am just trying to be an authentic assimilated secular Jew when I make references to White trash. Not playing golf, I cannot assimilate into the WASP culture that way; I prefer to at least subscribe to their social class concepts.

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