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Microcosm? Macrocosm?

 
 
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 12:07 pm
@firefly,
I just played the video that Firefly posted.

SHE is fantastic !!!!!

No decent judge will decide the issue
without hearing both sides,
but I gotta say:
that other guy must have been TERRIFIC if he fairly beat HER out!!!

I downloaded her video from Firefly 's posting.





David
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 06:40 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
The question is would you pay to see a 10-year-old girl in Vegas? I would never go to Vegas in the first place. Even if I were to go to Vegas, I seriously doubt that I would want to see most of the shows, particularly if the headliner were a 10 year old. Finally, the kid sounds too much like Sarah Brightman for my taste . . . and I have never been a Brightman fan.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sat 18 Sep, 2010 11:06 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
The question is [ ?? ] would you pay to see a 10-year-old girl in Vegas?
Yes; I 'd LOVE to see and hear the girl
from Firefly 's posted video; a nice dinner show. Absolutely,
and I 'd be very pleased to know that my ticket purchases
contributed to her financial well being.
Presumably, the show woud be of average length,
not just 5 minutes.
THAY know how to prepare good shows in Las Vegas.

( Incidentally, that is NOT the question.
THE QUESTION IS: WHO is the finest singer (regardless of age)
in the competition ?????
THAT is the question.
)


plainoldme wrote:
I would never go to Vegas in the first place.
I LOVE Las Vegas. The only thing that I don 't like about it
is that I don 't go there enuf. PLenty of good gunnery practice
with fully automatic weapons, many kinds of submachineguns.

I like to arrive at nite; looking down, the Las Vegas Strip
is soooooo beautifully colorful. It makes me HAPPY, when I get to
the McCarran Airport. Las Vegas is soooooo much fun.
It is the pleasure chakra of America.
I usually stay at the Golden Nugget.

As we speak, I coud go to Idlewild International Airport,
to McCarran Airport and spend a week at the Golden Nugget for free.
Years ago, when my friend Don married a medical doctor, visiting from Red China,
I gave them a wedding present of a Honeymoon in the Golden Nugget.
She had lamented her bleak, and terror filled, years there.
I thawt that the Las Vegas Strip lit up at nite woud be a good
contrast against dreary Red China.
She liked the contrast of a Honeymoon suite in the Golden Nugget
against her experience in Red China.

Las Vegas has a special ambiance of FREEDOM !!!
The hotel gives credits for use (like frequent flyer miles).
I kept those for my own use. I 've gone there a lot,
but I have yet to redeem them. I 'm used to using money.







plainoldme wrote:
Even if I were to go to Vegas, I seriously doubt that I would want
to see most of the shows, particularly if the headliner were a 10 year old.
The shows really R spectacular; truly EXTRAORDINARY.
It sounds like u don 't think much of people who r 10 years old.
R u a bigot, Plain ?
I don 't discriminate, based on age; she did an EXCELLENT job.




plainoldme wrote:
Finally, the kid sounds too much like Sarah Brightman for my taste . . . and I have never been a Brightman fan.
I remain enthusiastic for Jackie's personal demonstrated ability.
I have no opinion qua Ms. Brightman; irrelevant.





David
plainoldme
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 06:34 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Las Vegas just seems too declasse. It is like a living, breathing essay of not just what is wrong with America but, by extension, what is wrong with the human race.


And, no, the question is not who is the finest singer as the program is a variety show, in the manner of the old Ed Sullivan Show. The semi-finalists included magicians; aerialists; dancers who ranged from hip-hop to Indian classical dance with Bollywood touches to acrobatic dance to ballroom; a harmonica player and more.

Furthermore, the emphasis is on what the PUBLIC considers entertaining.

Now, whatever you heard on the television was incorrect.

THE JUDGES DID NOT CAST THE FINAL VOTE.

THE PUBLIC VOTED VIA PHONE OR TEXT.

The judges did not vote down Jackie Evancho. However, the public preferred Michael Grimm.

Guess what? While he technically was not a better singer than she is, he is a better entertainer.


I would guess from your lack of knowledge about singing in general (that you did not know the human voice can be easily damaged . . . which, to me, is in the realm of general knowledge for which to know one does not have to taken voice lessons) and about entertainers with headlining careers that have spanned decades, that you do not seek out entertainment of any kind.



You wrote that you have no opinion on Sarah Brightman and that makes her irrelevant . . . or, perhaps, any discussion of her is irrelevant. Who knows? You aren't clear.

The problem is that your lack of sophistication makes the discussion irrelevant and, from my perspective, boring.

And, that, david, is another reason you may have had problems with women and not your looks. While there are women who don't care, there are also women who like sophistication. A man who enjoys Early Music as much as he enjoys blue grass; a play by Shakespeare or an up and coming experimental playwrite; a great meal that is composed like a symphony.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 19 Sep, 2010 08:53 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
Las Vegas just seems too declasse. It is like a living, breathing essay
of not just what is wrong with America but, by extension,
what is wrong with the human race.
Las Vegas is an exercise in libertarianism, Individualism and hedonism. I wish that I coud bring ALL
of America
into alignment with its principles.



plainoldme wrote:
What 's with the Isosceles triangles, Professor PLain ?






plainoldme wrote:
And, no, the question is not who is the finest singer as the program is a variety show,
in the manner of the old Ed Sullivan Show.
I don t remember judges nor voting, on that show.





plainoldme wrote:
The semi-finalists included magicians; aerialists; dancers who ranged from
hip-hop to Indian classical dance with Bollywood touches
to acrobatic dance to ballroom; a harmonica player and more.

Furthermore, the emphasis is on what the PUBLIC considers entertaining.

Now, whatever you heard on the television was incorrect.

THE JUDGES DID NOT CAST THE FINAL VOTE.

THE PUBLIC VOTED VIA PHONE OR TEXT.

The judges did not vote down Jackie Evancho.
[On Firefly's video, I saw that thay gave her a standing ovation & effusive praise. David]


However, the public preferred Michael Grimm.

Guess what? While he technically was not a better singer than she is, he is a better entertainer.
Thank u for that information, Plain.
I feel better knowing that.
In contemplation of this information, now I see that no injustice was done.
The voters have an infinite right to choose
what entertainment thay prefer.

Again: thank u for that knowledge; very good of u.





plainoldme wrote:
∆ I would guess from your lack of knowledge about singing in general
(that you did not know the human voice can be easily damaged . . . which, to me,
is in the realm of general knowledge for which to know one does
not have to taken voice lessons)
True; I vaguely remember some of the wanna-be opera singers with whom I used to fraternize
mentioning something about that occasionally, but I did not
pay much attention.

When I was on-the-job, I did not find it necessary
to yell at the jury.




plainoldme wrote:
and about entertainers with headlining careers that have spanned decades,
that you do not seek out entertainment of any kind.
I have DONE it, but not much, e.g., in Las Vegas for conventions,
I went with friends to shows of old songs from the 1950s and 60s
performed by some of the original artists, at the MGM GRAND,
if I remember accurately. It was a lot of fun.
I attended several of those shows and I met some of the singers
that I had seen on American Bandstand back then.
I had bought 100s of their records; still have them.
Some of those girls have good singing voices.




plainoldme wrote:
∆ You wrote that you have no opinion on
Sarah Brightman and that makes her irrelevant . . . or,
perhaps, any discussion of her is irrelevant. Who knows? You aren't clear.
U brought her up, Plain, not me.
I have no interest in her pro nor con.



plainoldme wrote:
The problem is that your lack of sophistication makes the
discussion irrelevant and, from my perspective, boring.

And, that, david, is another reason you may have had problems
with women and not your looks.
How oddly INSIGHTFUL, of u Plain!
I am convinced that my first love, Joyce, whom I loved most avidly,
and who knew how bad my looks were when she made social overtures to me, rejected me on grounds of boredom.
I committed boredom on her; O, well.

She indicated that she was underwhelmed by my references
to the realm of abstract ideas; she preferred to focus on more tangible reality
(which is not to imply that she was materialistic; she was not).
Money does not mean much to her.







plainoldme wrote:
While there are women who don't care, there are also women who like sophistication.
A man who enjoys Early Music as much as he enjoys blue grass;
a play by Shakespeare or an up and coming experimental playwrite;
a great meal that is composed like a symphony.
plainoldme
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 07:37 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
I think Vegas is low class. Period.

When I was an undergrad, a prof suggested some ways of short-cutting important concepts with readily recognizable symbols and abbreviations. The Delta signifies change. I have always used and my adult kids use it. We use it when we instant message each other. I find it a terrific way of organizing a long piece of writing: breaking it up with deltas.

That was the second time I told you that the judges did not cast the final vote. In fact, from the semi-finals on, once the 10,000 contestants were whittled down to 48 (if I remember correctly), the general public voted on the acts for
that evening.

Jackie was not with the contest from the beginning but came in with a wave of acts 'discovered' on the internet about 3/4 of the way into the competition.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Mon 20 Sep, 2010 10:57 pm
@plainoldme,
plainoldme wrote:
I think Vegas is low class. Period.
U have bad taste.


plainoldme wrote:
When I was an undergrad, a prof suggested some ways of short-cutting important concepts
with readily recognizable symbols and abbreviations. The Delta signifies change.
Lawyers use it (in handwriting) to mean Defendant.
The pi sign (3.14) is used to indicate Plaintiff.





plainoldme wrote:
I have always used and my adult kids use it. We use it when we instant message each other. I find it a terrific way of organizing a long piece of writing: breaking it up with deltas.

That was the second time I told you that the judges did not cast the final vote. In fact, from the semi-finals on, once the 10,000 contestants were whittled down to 48 (if I remember correctly), the general public voted on the acts for that evening.
OK


plainoldme wrote:
Jackie was not with the contest from the beginning but came in
with a wave of acts 'discovered' on the internet about 3/4 of the way into the competition.
The significance of THAT is . . . . ???????




The relation of either the microcosm or the macrocosm
to this thread IS . . . . ???????
plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 06:32 am
@OmSigDAVID,
Quote:
plainoldme wrote:
Jackie was not with the contest from the beginning but came in
with a wave of acts 'discovered' on the internet about 3/4 of the way into the competition.


david responded:
Quote:
The significance of THAT is . . . . ???????

The relation of either the microcosm or the macrocosm
to this thread IS . . . . ???????


It is of more significance than three-quarters of the posts you made to this thread. In fact, it is questions like that that make other posters here doubt your autobiography in general and your supposed career in the law in particular.

And, no, I do not have bad taste. I'm an intellectual, with an intellectual's taste. Furthermore, one of the most consistent descriptions people use when discussing me is "ladylike."
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 03:16 pm
@plainoldme,
WHAT is the significance of Jackie not
being there in the BEGINNING ?????


WHAT is the relevance of the microcosm to the subject matter of this thread ????

WHAT is the relevance of the macrocosm to the subject matter of this thread ????

I look forward to your ENLIGHTENMENT, O, Lady Intellectual.





David
firefly
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 07:27 pm
@plainoldme,
This week's National Enquirer has a short article claiming that the Evanchos declared bankruptcy in 2007, and they still have debts of 200,000+ plus at least another $200,000+ owned on the mortgage to their house (which is now worth less than they paid for it). So, Jackie's singing "career" seems to have begun about the same time that her parents' financial woes deepened. In the past few years, both of her parents have tried to start businesses which failed. It is hard not to think that their current "business venture" might be Jackie, and that her earning ability is possibly being viewed as the family meal ticket and their way out of debt. Particularly in light of her new found fame, it might be a real temptation for them to push her too far too fast.

The Enquirer did not suggest the parents are using Jackie as a cash cow, they simply reported the family's serious financial difficulties, somewhat sympathetically. And, while it is not the NY Times, the Enquirer has done some excellent investigative reporting in the past. It was the Enquirer that nailed O.J. in the shoes he wore at the murder scene, allowing him to be convicted at his civil trial, and they broke the scandal about John Edwards affair and lovechild that ended his political career. So, as tabloid rag-sheets go, they have more than a fair degree of credibility, particularly when they report facts that can be easily checked, like a bankruptcy filing, and public records of debt.

You are right, plainoldme, to emphasize that the voice is a delicate instrument which can be easily damaged, particularly in a child. Just singing too loud, or too often, can do that. I read that Julliard won't accept singers younger than 14 for training in their school because a child's vocal chords and voice can change so much before that age. Particularly the kind of music Jackie sings, which does make great demands on the voice, might be a concern if she is forced to perform too often. Hopefully, her parents will try to slow things down for her and avoid the tempation to make as much money as fast as possible. It would be a terrible shame to see that voice destroyed.
OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 07:45 pm
@firefly,

From the very little that I come to know about Jackie,
she seems like a very fine American; I wish Jackie
and her family many TONS of money, success and more prosperity.

I will buy her music if it becomes available !





David
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plainoldme
 
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Reply Tue 21 Sep, 2010 08:27 pm
@firefly,
I have heard of voice teachers who only accept students who have reached puberty, although some precocious youngsters benefit from lessons which help prevent damage to the voice.

The film clips showed a solidly middle class family. Bankruptcy is a funny thing. Before I applied for a reverse mortgage, I investigated bankruptcy. It seems to be a way out for people who abuse credit cards. My problem was under employment.

On the other hand, my ex-husband was focused on running his own business and almost bankrupted the family as he tried to move in that direction.

America's Got Talent gave the family a trip to Disney World. Perhaps, the producers felt sorry for them.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 22 Sep, 2010 05:45 pm
@OmSigDAVID,

ONE MORE TIME, PLAIN:


OmSigDAVID wrote:

WHAT is the significance of Jackie not
being there in the BEGINNING ?????


WHAT is the relevance of the microcosm to the subject matter of this thread ????

WHAT is the relevance of the macrocosm to the subject matter of this thread ????

I look forward to your ENLIGHTENMENT, O, Lady Intellectual.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 03:58 am

I saw Jackie Evancho on the NBC TV News.
It said that she 'd sold quite a few albums of her music for Christmas.
I bawt 3 of her albums. She 's a good singer. I like her choice of songs.

I was very surprized that thay only ask $7 each for her albums.
There is great beauty in her presentations.

I hope that she is a libertarian.





David
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Sun 19 Dec, 2010 01:30 pm

I wonder whether Ms. Evancho has any additional Christmas Carols
available for sale ?
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