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The Apollo Moon Missions Were Faked in a Studio

 
 
Reply Sun 10 Jan, 2010 03:50 am
The evidence that the Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio is crushing. The US government can't censor the evidence that's on the internet but it can bury it with disinformation and obfuscation. If you enter "Apollo hoax" in Google, you'll find about fifteen pro-Apollo sites for every hoax site. I made a collection of some of the hoax evidence the government is trying to bury.

YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag at 2:37
At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

There's an analysis of that here in this three part series.
YouTube - MoonFaker: The Flags Are Alive. PART 1.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.
YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

What I hypothesize is that a fifty percent slow-motion was used in Apollo 11 to simulate lunar gravity. Later, they improved their methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
Man didnt land on the moon

It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.


(The above video "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" keeps going on and off-line. If the above link is dead, click here)
a funny thing happened on the way to the moon: Google Videos

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
--------------------------------
When the footage from this clip is doubled, the movements look unnaturally fast.
YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage

Here it is doubled.
YouTube - Jumping on the moon at double speed

When the Apollo 11 footage is doubled, the movements look natural. This makes it very clear that they used a simple fifty percent slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity in Apollo 11 and a faster slow-motion (around 67 percent according to Jarrah White's calculations) combined with wire supports in the later missions.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects.
YouTube - Feather & Hammer Drop on Moon
YouTube - Moon Hoax - Bag Drop A17 EVA 3 STN 8

Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
YouTube - Apollo 11: The TV Transmission Conspiracy Theorists Hate!
(50 second mark)

It swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
YouTube - Discovery Crew Enters International Space Station

This is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.
One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no blast crater under the lander.
http://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/picture1.jpg

That is discussed in this four part video series.
YouTube - MoonFaker: No Crater. PART 1

Look at the picture in reply #7 of this page at the Clavius forum.
ApolloHoax.net - The Moon Man Apollo Picture Debate

The shadow of the rod is proportionally longer than the shadow of the bag. Evidently, that's how they got those pictures of very dark shadows--they drew them.

Here's more on the bogus shadow issue.
Faked Apollo Photos - The Education Forum

The moon rocks are often presented as proof the missions were real. There are plausible explanations that would explain them.
YouTube - MoonFaker: Exhibit D. PART 5.
YouTube - MoonFaker: Rocks & Crocks. PART 1.


People say the Soviets would have snitched. There are explanations for that too:
YouTube - moonfaker cold war

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
(excerpt)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Everyone should read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
Noam Chomsky, How the Cold War worked from What Uncle Sam Really Wants
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
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It someone were to make a deathbed statement saying the moon missions were faked, the press would never report it as the press is controlled.
Media Watch
YouTube - chomsky media
YouTube - William Schaap - Part 1/8 - The Media, CIA, FBI & Disinfo.

Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
YouTube - Thomas Baron and astronauts killed to keep Apollo program
YouTube - Sacrifice On Pad 34.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are some videos.

YouTube - moonfaker
YouTube - Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis
YouTube - Apollo Moon Hoax? Spotlights, Fall-off, Camera Angles
YouTube - Shuttle at the van Allen Belts
YouTube - Moon Hoax- The Lies In Your Visors
YouTube - Moon Hoax- The Lies In Your Visors-Addendum
YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax-One Giant Spotlight For Mankind
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohDdNRq2Og
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
YouTube - Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
what happened on the moon: Google Videos
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are some articles.

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
Interview with Bart Sibrel
http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
AULIS Online – Different Thinking
northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com on reddit.com
Northerntruthseeker: Project Apollo... What Were They Thinking? Part II
The Apollo Hoax

The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
YouTube - Clip of Apollo 11 press conference

Here's a link to the entire conference.
Conferencia de Prensa Astronautas Apollo 11

This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling "Apollo 11 press conference".

Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
Did we really land Men on the Moon?


The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation. Here are some articles and videos I've found on the subject.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
(excerpt)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YouTube - Shuttle at the van Allen Belts
YouTube - Van Allen radiation belt (Part1)

two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deadly Radiation At and Past the Van Allen Shields
Apollo details
NASA Warped our View of Space - The Education Forum

These two are important
---------------------------
Articles_1
YouTube - MoonFaker: Exhibit C. PART 5
---------------------------

YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem II
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 2.5 4 Dummies
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem III (Major Solar Flares)
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 3.5 Addendum
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem IV (Radiation Everywhere)
---------------------------
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 4.5
YouTube - MoonFaker: Cold War II. PART 2
---------------------------
YouTube - MoonFaker: Radioactive Anomaly. PART 1.
(23 parts)

The Chinese space walks were obviously faked in a water tank and NASA's official position is that the Chinese space walks were real.
YouTube - Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk
YouTube - About paper and bubbles of ShenzhouVII
YouTube - FAKED Chinese Spacewalk !!! Under Water !!! PROOF !!! (part 1)
Epoch Times - Confirmed Discrepancies in CCTV?s Live Broadcast of Shenzhou VII Launch
Epoch Times - China Astronauts Make Low-Profile Visit to Hong Kong

The pro-Apollo posters at the forums of both the "Clavius" and "Bad Astronomy" websites tap danced around the evidence that the Chinese space walk was faked because they have to agree with the official US government version and they can't say it was faked without looking silly. Here are the threads. They're hilarious.

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/79327-congratulations-china-but-live-tv-launch-broadcast.html
ApolloHoax.net - Phony Chinese Spacewalk

They pretty much destroyed the credibility of those two sites when they didn't seriously address the evidence.
Rules of Disinformation

It's pretty clear that they're government damage-control sites.

Here's some good research if anyone wants to delve further.
Viewing Single Post From: We Never Went to the Moon

On this thread there's a debate between Jarrah White and Jay Windley.
IMDb :: Boards :: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon (2001) :: Could this be one of the most under-app...

Jay Windley is the most famous pro-Apollo person on the internet.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

Jarrah White is the main hoax-believer on the internet.
YouTube - moonfaker
 
David cv
 
  4  
Reply Fri 15 Jan, 2010 04:02 am
@Cosmored,
You realize all that's been debunked, right?
0 Replies
 
YuhannaEl
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 16 Jan, 2010 01:11 am
@Cosmored,
Cosmored;69509 wrote:
The evidence that the Apollo moon missions were faked in a studio is crushing. The US government can't censor the evidence that's on the internet but it can bury it with disinformation and obfuscation. If you enter "Apollo hoax" in Google, you'll find about fifteen pro-Apollo sites for every hoax site. I made a collection of some of the hoax evidence the government is trying to bury.

YouTube - Apollo 15 waving flag at 2:37
At the 2 minute 35 second mark of the video the flag is still. When the astronaut goes past it, it starts to move.

There's an analysis of that here in this three part series.
YouTube - MoonFaker: The Flags Are Alive. PART 1.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There's a noticeable difference in the body movements in these two clips.
YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/a11v.1101330.rm

What I hypothesize is that a fifty percent slow-motion was used in Apollo 11 to simulate lunar gravity. Later, they improved their methods of simulating lunar gravity and started using a combination of slow-motion and support wires. The slow-motion in the later missions might not have been exactly half-speed. It might have been sixty five or seventy percent of natural speed. It looked better but it was inconsistent with Apollo 11 footage. The inconsistency is apparent.

At around the 21 minute mark of this video the above footage from Apollo 11 can be seen played at double speed.
Man didnt land on the moon

It can also be seen in this video at around the 30 minute 40 second mark.


(The above video "A funny thing happened on the way to the moon" keeps going on and off-line. If the above link is dead, click here)
a funny thing happened on the way to the moon: Google Videos

It looks just like movement in earth gravity.
--------------------------------
When the footage from this clip is doubled, the movements look unnaturally fast.
YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax - Wires Footage

Here it is doubled.
YouTube - Jumping on the moon at double speed

When the Apollo 11 footage is doubled, the movements look natural. This makes it very clear that they used a simple fifty percent slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity in Apollo 11 and a faster slow-motion (around 67 percent according to Jarrah White's calculations) combined with wire supports in the later missions.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If you look at the acceleration of the object that falls from the astronaut's backpack and the acceleration of the hammer and feather that fall, it's apparent that the there's a difference in the way gravity affects the objects.
YouTube - Feather & Hammer Drop on Moon
YouTube - Moon Hoax - Bag Drop A17 EVA 3 STN 8

Evidently the slow-motion speed is different.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip.
YouTube - Apollo 11: The TV Transmission Conspiracy Theorists Hate!
(50 second mark)

It swings back and forth the way it would in gravity.
Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip.
YouTube - Discovery Crew Enters International Space Station

This is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently.
One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is no blast crater under the lander.
http://thoughtworld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/picture1.jpg

That is discussed in this four part video series.
YouTube - MoonFaker: No Crater. PART 1

Look at the picture in reply #7 of this page at the Clavius forum.
ApolloHoax.net - The Moon Man Apollo Picture Debate

The shadow of the rod is proportionally longer than the shadow of the bag. Evidently, that's how they got those pictures of very dark shadows--they drew them.

Here's more on the bogus shadow issue.
Faked Apollo Photos - The Education Forum

The moon rocks are often presented as proof the missions were real. There are plausible explanations that would explain them.
YouTube - MoonFaker: Exhibit D. PART 5.
YouTube - MoonFaker: Rocks & Crocks. PART 1.


People say the Soviets would have snitched. There are explanations for that too:
YouTube - moonfaker cold war

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
(excerpt)
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well, why did they keep faking the Apollo flights, I still don't understand. Did the Soviet Union know it was faked? Why did they keep shut up if they knew it was faked? 'Cause a lot of people would think they kept the moon race going to prove the U.S. was better than the Soviet Union. If the Soviet Union knew, why did they let the U.S. get away with this?
Well, I'll tell you - at the highest levels there is a coalition between governments. In other words, the Soviets said, if you won't tell on us - and they faked most of their space exploration flights - we won't tell on you. It's as simple as that. See, what Apollo is, is the beginning of the end of the ability of the government to hoodwink and bamboozle and manipulate the people. More and more people are becoming aware in the U.S. that the government is totally and completely public enemy number one.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Everyone should read Chomsky's analysis of the cold war.
Noam Chomsky, How the Cold War worked from What Uncle Sam Really Wants
(excerpt)
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It someone were to make a deathbed statement saying the moon missions were faked, the press would never report it as the press is controlled.
Media Watch
YouTube - chomsky media
YouTube - William Schaap - Part 1/8 - The Media, CIA, FBI & Disinfo.

Also, it would be downright dangerous for someone to come forward. Look what happened to these guys.
YouTube - Thomas Baron and astronauts killed to keep Apollo program
YouTube - Sacrifice On Pad 34.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Here are some videos.

YouTube - moonfaker
YouTube - Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis
YouTube - Apollo Moon Hoax? Spotlights, Fall-off, Camera Angles
YouTube - Shuttle at the van Allen Belts
YouTube - Moon Hoax- The Lies In Your Visors
YouTube - Moon Hoax- The Lies In Your Visors-Addendum
YouTube - Moon Landing Hoax-One Giant Spotlight For Mankind
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=0ohDdNRq2Og
http://www.thule.org/brains/moon.rm
YouTube - Moon hoax - Wire Supports (Mythbusters)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
What Happened on the Moon" (documentary)
what happened on the moon: Google Videos
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are some articles.

Nardwuar vs Bill Kaysing
Was The Apollo Moon Landing Fake?
http://www.aulis.com/skeleton.html
Interview with Bart Sibrel
http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
AULIS Online – Different Thinking
northerntruthseeker.blogspot.com on reddit.com
Northerntruthseeker: Project Apollo... What Were They Thinking? Part II
The Apollo Hoax

The astronauts look pretty nervous at the press conference.
YouTube - Clip of Apollo 11 press conference

Here's a link to the entire conference.
Conferencia de Prensa Astronautas Apollo 11

This keeps going on and offline so if this link is dead, try googling "Apollo 11 press conference".

Their behavior look pretty suspicious here too. It begins in the second half of the video.
Did we really land Men on the Moon?


The main reason they had to fake it was probably space radiation. Here are some articles and videos I've found on the subject.

http://www.geocities.com/apollotruth/
(excerpt)
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
There is an old saying that "A liar needs a good memory". Nowhere is this more true than in the Apollo program. NASA tell lies to cover up previous lies, and other discrepancies uncovered by people investigating the Moon landings. Altering previous data, removing photographs, and retracting statements made, only re-enforces the evidence that NASA are on the run, and being forced into a corner to which they cannot escape. The actions of those under investigation makes the investigator more aware they are bluffing. The longer that person, or persons, who make the extravagant claims continue, the more lies they have to tell in order to counteract it, until it reaches the point where it becomes ridiculous. That point was passed in July 1999, when NASA officials were questioned about the Moon landings on television. They dodged the all important questions like a drifter dodges the heat.
Many Apollo astronauts have long since died, as to have many of the original NASA officials involved in the scam, consequently current officials, who know that Apollo was a fake, have not quite got it right when talking openly in public. Perhaps the biggest slip of the tongue was made by NASA Chief Dan Goldin when interviewed by UK TV journalist Sheena McDonald in 1994. He said that mankind cannot venture beyond Earth orbit, 250 miles into space, until they can find a way to overcome the dangers of cosmic radiation. He must have forgot that they supposedly sent 27 astronauts 250,000 miles outside Earth orbit 36 years earlier.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
YouTube - Shuttle at the van Allen Belts
YouTube - Van Allen radiation belt (Part1)

two sets of radiation data
http://hey_223.tripod.com/bulldoglebeautaketooooo/id82.html
(excerpt)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
To prove his thesis, Rene tries to get certain solar data from NATIONAL
OCEANIC & ATMOSPHERIC ADMINISTRATION, (NOAA) using clever techniques
to
disguise his true intentions, [i.e. to get true data on solar flares.] NOAA,
unfortunately, proved to be as cagey as Rene in dodging the giving out of any
really good DETAILS on this matter, [you know, where the devil resides.]
Rene, seeing games being played, deduced that there must be two sets of data,
one which is sent to scientists on the preferred list, and one sent to the
likes of Rene as casual strangers. (p.125)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Deadly Radiation At and Past the Van Allen Shields
Apollo details
NASA Warped our View of Space - The Education Forum

These two are important
---------------------------
Articles_1
YouTube - MoonFaker: Exhibit C. PART 5
---------------------------

YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem II
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 2.5 4 Dummies
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem III (Major Solar Flares)
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 3.5 Addendum
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem IV (Radiation Everywhere)
---------------------------
YouTube - Lunarcy: NASA's Radiation Problem 4.5
YouTube - MoonFaker: Cold War II. PART 2
---------------------------
YouTube - MoonFaker: Radioactive Anomaly. PART 1.
(23 parts)

The Chinese space walks were obviously faked in a water tank and NASA's official position is that the Chinese space walks were real.
YouTube - Proof China Faked Their Spacewalk
YouTube - About paper and bubbles of ShenzhouVII
YouTube - FAKED Chinese Spacewalk !!! Under Water !!! PROOF !!! (part 1)
Epoch Times - Confirmed Discrepancies in CCTV?s Live Broadcast of Shenzhou VII Launch
Epoch Times - China Astronauts Make Low-Profile Visit to Hong Kong

The pro-Apollo posters at the forums of both the "Clavius" and "Bad Astronomy" websites tap danced around the evidence that the Chinese space walk was faked because they have to agree with the official US government version and they can't say it was faked without looking silly. Here are the threads. They're hilarious.

http://www.bautforum.com/conspiracy-theories/79327-congratulations-china-but-live-tv-launch-broadcast.html
ApolloHoax.net - Phony Chinese Spacewalk

They pretty much destroyed the credibility of those two sites when they didn't seriously address the evidence.
Rules of Disinformation

It's pretty clear that they're government damage-control sites.

Here's some good research if anyone wants to delve further.
Viewing Single Post From: We Never Went to the Moon

On this thread there's a debate between Jarrah White and Jay Windley.
IMDb :: Boards :: A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon (2001) :: Could this be one of the most under-app...

Jay Windley is the most famous pro-Apollo person on the internet.
Clavius: Conspiracy - about the author

Jarrah White is the main hoax-believer on the internet.
YouTube - moonfaker



I Agree 1000% With The Above . What Funny / Sad Some Still Believe It Still Happen . Poor Thing LOLOLOLOL
0 Replies
 
dson
 
  3  
Reply Wed 27 Jan, 2010 07:12 pm
@Cosmored,
Put on your aluminum hat.
0 Replies
 
Cosmored
 
  -1  
Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 05:30 am
The Mythbusters series has been shown to be a fraud. This video explains it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00
(2:00 time mark)

The flag comes to a stop exactly the way it would in air as the Mythbusters experiment shows. Mythbusters didn't show the whole flag footage because it showed they were wrong. They were being willfully deceptive.

We know the flag didn't come to a stop because the astronaut moved the pole as the support rod is attached to the pole and is shows the motion of the pole. The pole and support rod are not moving in a way that would make the flag stop moving. The tip of the flag stops moving in the same manner that it would in air. This is one more piece of irrefutable proof that the moon missions were faked in a studio.
jespah
 
  2  
Reply Sat 13 Aug, 2011 05:39 am
@Cosmored,
Have you actually checked the comments on that video? It's kinda interesting that after a year all you've been able to come up with is a Youtube and even the comments in said Youtube show it to be fulla poo.
0 Replies
 
Cosmored
 
  0  
Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 10:43 am
Quote:
Have you actually checked the comments on that video? It's kinda interesting that after a year all you've been able to come up with is a Youtube and even the comments in said Youtube show it to be fulla poo.

Please quote an argument that shows the video to be wrong and we can talk about whether it really does. There are lots of disinfo agents working forums and the comment sections of YouTube videos.
http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1222

They always have the attitude that they're winning even when they're losing. Sometimes they say some pretty lame things with an authoritative patonizing attitude. This doesn't fool thinking people of normal intelligence.
0 Replies
 
edgarblythe
 
  2  
Reply Fri 4 Nov, 2011 12:01 pm
Another horseshit thread about a fake moon landing. Lots of luck.
0 Replies
 
Cosmored
 
  -2  
Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 06:35 am
I've been trying to debate with Jay Windley over at the JREF. Jay Windley is the webmaster of the Clavius website.
http://www.clavius.org/about.html

I asked Jay to address this issue.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8135606&postcount=7907

Here's his response.
http://forums.randi.org/showpost.php?p=8144391&postcount=7990

By making that post he pretty much showed that he knows the moon missions were faked as well as the hoax-belivers do and that he doesn't even believe his own arguments.

He simply refuses to answer other questions that I ask him.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=216531&page=204

There's a mountain of proof that the moon missions were faked.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487
farmerman
 
  3  
Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 06:39 am
@Cosmored,
So were all the Rover Missions Ed/ All those pix were made near Albuquerque.
Joe Nation
 
  3  
Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 09:46 am
@farmerman,
The biggest fake was the discovery of North and South America.
All the royals of Spain and Portugal had been using their steam-powered aircraft to fly to what is now Brazil for Christmas Holidays throughout the 1300s.
Then, the Irish, who else?, threatened to expose that secret.
(They had seen them flying overhead from their fecking fishing boats.)
All the kings and queens got together and concocted this story about Columbus sailing across the ocean, thinking that, because it took so long, no body else would try to do it.
(You don't really believe that the Portuguese sailed South around Africa, do you? No. They flew all along the coast for years before the Spanish caught them landing in Barcelona. )
The ******* British couldn't help themselves. They had to try to sail across the Atlantic without any idea of how to figure Longitude. The Spanish were okay with them landing way the hell North of where they, the Spanish, were.

"Let them in." The ambassadors all said." They are landing in the only spot in the Western Hemisphere where you have to travel another 2500 miles to get to where there is any gold, and we are already there."

Joe(Next, why we are all Chinese.)Nation
farmerman
 
  2  
Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 10:53 am
@Joe Nation,
next thing youll be telling us that there is NO EASTER BUNNY.
Joe Nation
 
  3  
Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 12:16 pm
@farmerman,
Seriously, Farmerman, you've got to respect the efforts of both the Americans and the Soviet Union on conspiring together to tell the world that the moon had been landed on, not once, but several times. The two countries apparently spent billions of dollars and kopeks to foist this charade on the unsuspecting countries and peoples of the world.

The Soviet Union had to be part of it or they would have called "Bullshit" on any Apollo Mission Statement. (They would have "landed" on the moon, but they lost a coin toss over which country would get to claim 'firsties'.
Yes. There was vodka involved, but I digress.)

All in all, in was a great scam and a great story the Americans told, especially the part about Apollo 13 and the tenseness of that moment when we didn't know what the hell had happened to those three guys. To some, it's a better moment, apparently, than the actual landings........how many movies about raising flags and collecting rocks have you seen?
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It is kind of fun to think about.....people can't conceive of the idea that one asshole with the right weapon can kill a President in a moving car and think up that crazy idea all by himself, but they have no problem thinking that an operation as complex as landing on the moon could be faked and ALL of the individuals involved would keep their silence for over forty years.
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Question: (and I'm serious. ) If the mission were faked, why were they faked? Just what did we get out of faking the landing on the moon?

Joe(We faked it so we could trick people into using Teflon?)Nation
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Cosmored
 
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Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 02:27 pm
Quote:
they have no problem thinking that an operation as complex as landing on the moon could be faked and ALL of the individuals involved would keep their silence for over forty years.

Here's a link to some info on that.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4731597&postcount=1090

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Question: (and I'm serious. ) If the mission were faked, why were they faked? Just what did we get out of faking the landing on the moon?

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/moon.htm
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Motives

Several motives have been suggested for the U.S. government to fake the moon landings - some of the recurrent elements are:
Distraction - The U.S. government benefited from a popular distraction to take attention away from the Vietnam war. Lunar activities did abruptly stop, with planned missions cancelled, around the same time that the US ceased its involvement in the Vietnam War.
Cold War Prestige - The U.S. government considered it vital that the U.S. win the space race with the USSR. Going to the Moon, if it was possible, would have been risky and expensive. It would have been much easier to fake the landing, thereby ensuring success.
Money - NASA raised approximately 30 billion dollars pretending to go to the moon. This could have been used to pay off a large number of people, providing significant motivation for complicity. In variations of this theory, the space industry is characterized as a political economy, much like the military industrial complex, creating fertile ground for its own survival.
Risk - The available technology at the time was such that there was a good chance that the landing might fail if genuinely attempted.
The Soviets, with their own competing moon program and an intense economic and political and military rivalry with the USA, could be expected to have cried foul if the USA tried to fake a Moon landing. Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence. (The Soviet Union in fact had its own Moon program).
Proponents of the Apollo hoax suggest that the Soviet Union, and latterly Russia, and the United States were allied in the exploration of space, during the Cold war and after. The United States and the former Soviet Union today routinely engage in cooperative space ventures, as do many other nations that are popularly believed to be enemies. However, this suggestion is challenged by the impression of intense international competition that was under way during the Cold War and is not supported by the accounts of participants on either side of the Iron Curtain. Many argue that the fact that the Soviet Union and other Communist bloc countries, eager to discredit the United States, have not produced any contrary evidence to be the single most significant argument against such a hoax. Soviet involvement might also implausibly multiply the scale of the conspiracy, to include hundreds of thousands of conspirators of uncertain loyalty.http://www.reference.com/browse/wiki/Apollo_moon_landing_hoax_accusations
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Setanta
 
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Reply Sun 8 Apr, 2012 02:34 pm
By god, if it says so on Youtube, it must be so!
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parados
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 08:31 am
@Cosmored,
The problem Cosmored is that they would still have to be spending money to pay off people today. Where is that money coming from? There is no reason for anyone to keep quiet today for a few thousand dollars when they could make MILLIONS by exposing the fraud with proof.

For instance, NASA has released photos of the lunar landing sites where you can see the flags still.
http://www.space.com/12835-nasa-apollo-moon-landing-sites-photos-lro.html

In order for the hoax to continue, they would have to pay off everyone working on the lunar orbiter as well as anyone with the ability to intercept the radio signals from that orbiter as it sends back info.
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:21 am
Quote:
Theorist Ralph Rene responds that shortly after the alleged Moon landings, the USA silently started shipping hundreds of thousands of tons of grain as humanitarian aid to the allegedly starving USSR. He views this as evidence of a cover-up, the grain being the price of silence.

My emphasis.
This is really the funniest one. Really, "silently" was hardly the method used at the time. More like,"Hey mid-western farmers, want to make a boatload of money???" Which they did. Quite publicly and were happy to have the cash.
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Distraction from the war: Le'see. One launch every 11 to 15 months apart versus nightly reports of the progress or lack thereof of the war. Major demonstrations in all of the largest American cities including several March(es) on Washington and, my favorite moment from the anti-war movement, an attempt by the Transcendental Meditation to levitate the Pentagon.

http://creativetime.org/programs/archive/2006/strangepowers/site/images/thomson2.png
It's hard to distract the American public from those kinds of events with mere smoked filled launches, blurry pictures of two guys in a moon rover and splash-downs, that had become by that time, routine.

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So, did it work? The hoax, I mean, did Americans get all puffed up about their purported space success?? Did we get to lord it over all the other countries of the world?
um. Not so much. Right?
That must have been when we started launching the "too big to fly" space shuttle, right?
That's never happened.... flying a space shuttle on top of a 747. I mean, come on.

Joe(who kidding who?)Nation
Rockhead
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:30 am
@Joe Nation,
there is this really cool space museum about 20 miles from my house.

lots of artifacts from the big fake. and the Russian one, too. and one of those big shuttle thingies...

still making money off of that movie, apparently.

I find the capsules recovered from the Sea to be the coolest part...
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 11:40 am
@Cosmored,
I like that your own link provides arguments against the moon missions being hoaxes.

Awesome.
Joe Nation
 
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Reply Mon 9 Apr, 2012 01:48 pm
@ehBeth,
yeah. I liked that part too.

Joe(heh. Rule One: READ the link before you post it)Nation
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