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Heat values Water vs Furnace Fuel

 
 
Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 06:33 am
Assuming you take one liter of water and reduce it to a gaseous state and create HHO gas, what is the total BTU value of the gas when it is burned in a high efficiency oil furnace vs the BTU value of Furnace Oil burned in a high efficiency oil furnace.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 06:53 am
@Bill Gallagher,
yes.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 07:02 am
@Bill Gallagher,
You are planning to burn steam, right?
Bill Gallagher
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 07:12 am
@roger,
I am planning to use electrolisis to create HHO gas, and then reburn in combination the hydrogen and oxygen produced to replace the furnace oil.
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farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 07:13 am
@roger,
I think he didnt complete the story. I believe hes talking about disassociated water. It has a name like HArveys Gas or something like that. Im off today and my brain cant even make coffee.
Look it up kid.___________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

IM BACK.y kid said its BROWN's GAS, Yeh. SO Im sure theres a vol BTU table for browns gas somewhere on the web.
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 07:23 am
He is planning to burn knallgas or oxyhydrogen which is often mentioned in conjunction with devices that claim to operate a vehicle using water as a fuel. The common counter argument is that since the energy required to split water exceeds the energy recouped by burning it, these devices reduce, rather than improve fuel efficiency.

See the "Fraud and Fringe Science" section of the Wikipedia entry.


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dadpad
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 07:24 am
No such thing as a free lunch.

I'm no industrial chemist but it seems to me that energy used to create gasseous states will be equivelent to or more than energy produced (as heat).

edit: just saw contrex's post I think he's onto the right track
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contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 08:16 am
The "Brown" in Brown's gas is Yull Brown, a scammer who attracted the "nutters" and "fringe people" with his banter of the "golden mean", free energy, atmospheric motors, passive radiators etc. He was skilled at identifying gullible dullards and latching on to them quickly.
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roger
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 08:25 am
What we all missed was the word "assuming".
contrex
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 08:33 am
@roger,
roger wrote:
What we all missed was the word "assuming".


I didn't miss it.
farmerman
 
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Reply Fri 27 Nov, 2009 08:41 am
@contrex,
electrolysis is , perhaps, the most inefficient way of releasing hydrogen . A new process which was developed in the late 1990's is a bioreactor in which an algae mass are deprived of molecular sulfur in their metabolitic cycles. When S is deprived, the algae switch from O2 production to H2 production. Its presently a bit hazy as to

1the energy lost in adsobing S

2The other metabolic byproducts

3The life cycle cost of a production of a given H2 volume

Still, we all unerstand that H2 is a useable fuel, the "free energy" crap is easily debunked is one were, saay, given 10MM bucks to make and sell H2 gas as a fuel. Keeping track of all life cycle costs would show that, within a span of time, youd go broke if H2 was comparable to gasoline in cost. H2 Would have to have a much higher market cost.
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Bill Gallagher
 
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Reply Sun 29 Nov, 2009 09:41 am
Thank-you all for your thoughts on this subject. My whole idea was to see if the total cost of producing and burning HHO would be cheaper than the cost of furnace oil which in Canada is running at about $0.85 Canadian per liter or about $0.82 cents US. I was thinking that the burning of HHO would be greener and be much more efficient that furnace oil and of course the burning of HHO would produce only water and not high sulfur pollutants. Green credits in Canada are running at over $1,200 per ton for reducing sulfur and nox gases.
In any event if would take a full review of the costs of the required KWH to be converted from the electrical suppliers by a transformer to Direct Current and then the costs of collecting and storage of the gas and the convervison of a regular furnace oil burning system to accomodate the burning of the HHO.
Perhaps this would be a good project for a science and physics department at a major university.
Thanks again for your input.
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