Green Witch wrote:
I also doubt most Creationists could even follow the science, as most of the terminology would be alien to them,
Actually, that's exactly what I was thinking about.
Getting this particular video confused with the other videos off this same site, I'm going to be speaking of aspects of several of them simultaneously...
As far as being able to follow the science, well, I'll be the first to admit I couldn't follow it all either. In all of them, the presenters speak quite quickly, and several times I had to stop and rewind to really hear what they were saying, and consider it before it did (or didn't) make sense to me. I don't have a science background, but, I have a curious mind, so I took the time to try to follow the science as best I'm able.
Trying to be fair here, I think sometimes there's a double cop out. For someone to just say to the effect of "oh, you can't follow or understand the science" is implying they aren't intelligent enough to.
Well, I cannot follow or understand most poetry. I just don't care for most forms of it, for many reasons that aren't important here. One of the reasons that is applicable is that, for me personally, it goes to slow for me. That somehow gets in the way of understanding what is being said. If I make an serious effort, and take each line, phrase, whatever (see, I don't even know the terminology) and really concentrate, I can understand/follow whatever is being said much more. Not that I would like it, but I would understand it.
Curiosity. I think that's what's behind all of this. Honestly? I'm not all that curious what is being expressed in poetry, because I can find the same meaning in prose somewhere, that will evoke the same emotion.
Evolution? Perhaps some people aren't curious about taking the time to take apart the science bit by bit into understandable forms, because they find, for themselves, a sufficient enough answer (for them) in a creation story.
ok....I speak in examples.
The other day I was trying to educate someone in how to fill out a spreadsheet. I had built in this macro that with the click of the mouse, performed some pretty (if I do say so myself) amazing ****, automating something that used to take an hour or more, into a few seconds.
I said, "click this icon and it'll do the work on all the info you've put in"
click, pow, done.
I said "see how it did all the (dozens of) in between steps"
she responded, barely, with total disinterest..."yeah"
I plowed on, not saying, but thinking "how can you not be the least bit curious how that was done?" I wasn't thinking that because it was my work, but just in general, this understanding I got that this was just a passive observer of the world around her (I'm not judging this on this isolated incident).
In a way, I can understand that, using the poetry analogy. However, if I was in a situation where poetry was the subject of contention, I'd do my homework to understand enough to at least make an intelligent statement.
I don't think people who believe in creationism are unintelligent. I'm not saying they aren't curious about a lot of things.
I'm thinking that the creation stories are a great "get out of jail free" card, where you can't be obligated to examine even the most prerequisite tenets of evolution.
In one of the videos, the commentator was voicing over a creationist using some bogus science, saying that listening to such presentations you hear that they are really trying to convince, to the point of pleading (I don't know if I agree with the pleading part) that evolution makes no sense.
He said that in the scientific community, one's work stands on it's own merit. It's presented, and left for examination. If the scientist did make a persuasive speach, it would be looked upon that they really didn't have a very good case.
I'm simply asking is at what point the curiosity dies, and why?
For instance, I've heard so many times comments like "An apple can't become a squirrel, a cat can't become a dog" Some people just hear that, and they don't think to look any further, as in, the theory of evolution doesn't say that.
I'm curious where the curiosity stops. where do people decide they dont need to understand something to decide it's not true.