Setanta
 
Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:12 am
OK, here it is. For years, for time out of mind, the rightwingnuts have been telling us we're socialist, commies, the red menace reborn in America. Now, they're telling us were Nazis. Now they're talking about re-education camps, but that's a commie scam--so how does that make us Nazis?

Help me out here, goys and birls, was gibt?
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:19 am
@Setanta,
Conservative hysteria is becoming quite shrill. As the moderates get squeezed out the fanatics become more visible and that reflects even more badly on Conservatism. It's a downward spiral from which the only escape is redefinition.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:21 am
I would think that it would benefit them to define us if they are going to "re-define" themselves. Of course, that presupposes some rational process on the part of the rightwingnuts . . . so . . . never mind . . .
rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:26 am
@Setanta,
Everyone could just switch to calling themselves Liberals, but then vote the way they always did (Arlen Specter-like).

Most people aren't really changing here, it's just the perception which is changing. Kinda neat when you think about it.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:28 am
So we can be Nazis, and still have socialized medicine, abortion on demand, same-sex marriage and multi-culturalism?

Cool . . .
dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:31 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

So we can be Nazis, and still have socialized medicine, abortion on demand, same-sex marriage and multi-culturalism?

Cool . . .
exactly,
vote early
vote often
vote Kucinich.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:32 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
So we can be Nazis, and still have socialized medicine, abortion on demand, same-sex marriage and multi-culturalism? Cool . . .

Actually I was thinking about it the other way around, they could call themselves Liberals, but still carry their oozi into school, restrict womens reproductive rights, push their religion on everyone and burn crosses anywhere they want. The New Liberals Smile

kuvasz
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 09:17 am
authoritarians were never much good at history.

btw albert speer noted the following about some austrian painter.

Quote:
an incompetent, unprofessional, self taught, layman: "Without any sense of the complexities of any great task, he boldly assumed one function after another."


sound like #43?
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Foofie
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 11:31 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

OK, here it is. For years, for time out of mind, the rightwingnuts have been telling us we're socialist, commies, the red menace reborn in America. Now, they're telling us were Nazis. Now they're talking about re-education camps, but that's a commie scam--so how does that make us Nazis?

Help me out here, goys and birls, was gibt?


Possibly, it is based on the thought that Facism includes an alliance between large national corporations and the government? I am thinking of I.G. Farben.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I.G._Farben
In every country that was occupied by the Nazis, I.G. Farben took the companies that could be merged with I.G. Farben. This happened early on with the Anschluss.

In a book I read decades ago, Auschwitz was an I.G. Farben factory, according to the photo, in the book, of the Auschwitz blue prints.

But getting back to the initial thought, it is that alliance with corporate America for purposes of the bail-out, etc., that I believe is raising the suspicions of some conservatives, not to mention that some of the ultra left-wing today seem to some, on the conservative right, as though they may be accepting to have the masses controlled to a degree that we do not remember in this country. The idea of getting rid of guns would be new. The idea of having abortion on demand would be new. The idea of thinking of combat vets as possible right-wing extremists would be new. The idea of being less a priori backing Israel would be new. The idea of gay-marriage being codified into law would be new.

I also have had the thought that abortion on demand, if codified into federal law, can raise the specter in the future of eugenics (gee, who was into eugenics?) as medical science advances in its knowledge of our genome, and merges with some sort of genetic testing, either in utero, or of parents, to allow for customizing one's child. I mean, if in utero testing can determine that there is a higher statistical chance for a child possibly being lgbt/dark complected/very short/emotionally-intellectually challenged, or any number of traits parents would prefer not be in a child of theirs, it would be easy then to abort, and start again with another pregnancy. In effect, freedom to customize one's child, since children, I believe, often reflect the legacy thinking of many a parent. Republicans would never codify abortion on demand into federal law. Why would Democrats, possibly?

I do not think those that would value the innovations of this administration as having any leanings towards Fascism. I just would not feel comfortable with anyone that would value this administration's innovations, since I think these innovations can come back to bite us, so to speak, and I am wary of anyone that may think that this administration's bandwagon is like Moses coming down from Mount Sinai.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 11:32 am
You're a legend in your own mind, ain'tcha, Bubba?
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Debra Law
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 04:54 pm
@rosborne979,
rosborne979 wrote:

Setanta wrote:
So we can be Nazis, and still have socialized medicine, abortion on demand, same-sex marriage and multi-culturalism? Cool . . .

Actually I was thinking about it the other way around, they could call themselves Liberals, but still carry their oozi into school, restrict womens reproductive rights, push their religion on everyone and burn crosses anywhere they want. The New Liberals Smile




Replace the word "Liberal" with "Libertarian", and that's Foxfyre's definition of the modern conservative movement to a tee. The modern day right wing extremist is a liberty lover who hugs the Constitution every day, and oppression isn't oppression anymore! Oh no! Oppression has been redefined to mean enforcing the Constitution. All the things we thought were bad are now good, you know, because the conservatives--er, I mean, the new libertarians, have redefined them and given them new names.
Thomas
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 05:12 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:
So we can be Nazis, and still have socialized medicine, abortion on demand, same-sex marriage and multi-culturalism?

Cool . . .

Suar! Nossink turns uz Nazis on moar zen some good, old-fashioned, interracial gay sex vizin a good, old-fashioned gay, interracial marriage.
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rosborne979
 
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Reply Thu 30 Apr, 2009 07:42 pm
@Debra Law,
Debra Law wrote:
Replace the word "Liberal" with "Libertarian", and that's Foxfyre's definition of the modern conservative movement to a tee.

Foxfyre, redefining words to suit her own rationalizations? Say it ain't so.
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