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The Obama Presidency:

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 10:18 am


Obama will create a permanent electoral majority that does not pay taxes,
but counts on ever-expanding welfare checks from the government.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 11:19 am
Who initiated the bailout?

YOUR CONGRESS at the advice of the Bush Treasury Dept.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 11:31 am
@Woiyo9,

Your new president is what we face today and tomorrow.
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 12:04 pm
@H2O MAN,
As well as many fools in the Congress. Get ready, the most important election happens in 2 years. Overturn the Congress which will send a message to Obama if he has not already received it.

Place you focus there.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 12:13 pm
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

As well as many fools in the Congress. Get ready, the most important election happens in 2 years. Overturn the Congress which will send a message to Obama if he has not already received it.

Place you focus there.


Good luck with that. The retirement of:

Kit Bond (R) of Missouri
Sam Brownback (R) of Kansas
Mel Martinez (R) of Florida
George Voinovich (R) of Ohio

... means the Republicans have many seats to defend which otherwise would have been 'safe.' And they already had a disadvantage when it came to defending more seats to begin with; 20 seats to defend vs. 17.

To put it simply, the Republicans are on defense until at least 2012. Unless they can somehow come up with huge amounts of financing, it is entirely likely the Dems will pick up MORE seats in 2010 in the Senate.

As for the house, the Republicans face a deficit of -79 seats. Good luck taking back that many in a single election, though this does represent the best possibility of gains for the Republicans.

Might as well start steeling yourself now, the Democrats are already raising tons of money, and it's going to be painful for Team Elephant.

Cycloptichorn
Woiyo9
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 12:46 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
As usual, you are too caught up in yourself to realize that a few Democrats will also retire and possibly die. A few appointed seats will also come up which are currently held by Democrats. Many Democratic Reps will have a tougher time defending their positions, such as Dodd and the fool from Mass, Frank.

Republicans need to challenge this Democratic bailout package and show they have a better way. Obama has to show results economically and show progress in Iraq if he hopes to maintain a Democratic Congress.


The good thing about more people getting involved is that more focus will be paid to the Congress and the majority of voters being unaffiliated, not partisan sheep like you just might make the mid term elections very interesting.

I suggest you write you Democratic Fan Club and tell them to get busy fixing the problems they helped create and stop thumping your little chest.
Cycloptichorn
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 03:24 pm
@Woiyo9,
Woiyo9 wrote:

As usual, you are too caught up in yourself to realize that a few Democrats will also retire and possibly die. A few appointed seats will also come up which are currently held by Democrats. Many Democratic Reps will have a tougher time defending their positions, such as Dodd and the fool from Mass, Frank.


Haha, Dodd and Frank have nothing to fear, both are quite popular in their home constituencies.

I'm not sure your original proposition is true, that Dems will retire. It's rare for Senators to retire while their party is in hold of power and common for them to do so when they are not; it's just not fun to get kicked around by the other side.

There's also the question of geography; are Dems going to be leaving in places where there are not solid Dem majorities? That's the real problem for Republicans, the retirements are in places which ALL trended Dem this last cycle, especially FL and OH. If Kennedy retires, they'll get another Dem elected; will the Republicans do so in FL and OH? Much harder to say and it's going to take much more money to do so.



Republicans need to challenge this Democratic bailout package and show they have a better way. Obama has to show results economically and show progress in Iraq if he hopes to maintain a Democratic Congress.

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The good thing about more people getting involved is that more focus will be paid to the Congress and the majority of voters being unaffiliated, not partisan sheep like you just might make the mid term elections very interesting.

I suggest you write you Democratic Fan Club and tell them to get busy fixing the problems they helped create and stop thumping your little chest.


Thanks for the advice, useless as it is. We're too busy fixing the problems the Republicans have created to get around to our own.

Certainly, you shouldn't take my word for things. How about Charlie Cook's Political Report? He describes pretty succinctly the pickle Republicans have found themselves in:

http://www.cookpolitical.com/node/4118

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Self-Destructive Conservatism

By Charlie Cook
© National Journal Group Inc.

January 17, 2009

This column was originally featured on National Journal on January 17, 2009.

A fellow who oversees lobbying in all 50 states for a major corporation recently told me about a certain Republican U.S. senator up for re-election in 2010, someone generally regarded as fairly conservative who might face a serious challenge from a very conservative fellow Republican. The incumbent has not been tainted by scandal, has never embarrassed himself by making a major mistake, is highly regarded in Washington, and is considered a very effective senator.

I was dumbfounded. Although it isn't hard to see why a moderate Republican such as Pennsylvania's Arlen Specter could face a conservative primary challenge, it is difficult to understand why a conservative Republican would be challenged from the right. This is a party in danger of cannibalizing itself.

One can look at the American electorate like a football field. Most voters are fairly centrist, sitting between the 35-yard lines. Democrats are on the left end of the field; Republicans on the right. The theoretical center for each party is roughly the 25-yard line on its side.

The Republican Party dropped from parity in terms of party identification four years ago and now is about 8 percentage points below the Democratic Party. The GOP has narrowed its base and moved to the right. The defections from the GOP have been among its least conservative members. Thus, the center of the Republican Party has moved to the right, between the 15- and 20-yard lines.

This shift means that GOP primaries have become more conservative, putting pressure on incumbents to chart a more rightward course than they would otherwise take. And it means that GOP primaries, particularly in open-seat races, will be even more likely than in the past to nominate ideologues. The party's contraction and rightward movement have become self-perpetuating, and will continue to be until something breaks the cycle.

At a time when Republicans should be starting to think about how they can expand their party to reclaim those who abandoned it, the party is instead lurching ever more to the right, exacerbating its problems. Many people who watched the recent debate between contenders for the chairmanship of the Republican National Committee came away thinking that the only memorable moments were when each candidate expressed love and devotion for Ronald Reagan and when all but one bragged about how many guns they own. Not to belittle the importance of Reagan's iconic status or the Second Amendment, but when the only takeaways are about the importance of a political figure who last won an election a quarter-century ago and how big a person's arsenal is, these guys are not hot prospects to chair the GOP's Welcome Wagon, much less to lead the party out of its wilderness.

For anyone who thinks that it is important to our democracy to have two strong, vibrant parties and that having both major parties healthy keeps the system accountable, seeing one of those parties being self-destructive is not encouraging.

Beyond the fact that an inwardly focused Republican Party will have a hard time restoring its lost support, it's hard to embody Reagan's "Big Tent" approach when you are pushing folks who don't totally agree with you out of the tent. Especially for Republicans on Capitol Hill, the narrowing of the GOP presents a challenge as lawmakers try to develop policies to help pull the country out of its horrible economic decline.

With the Federal Reserve Board having dropped interest rates to practically zero, only two other major instruments to fight recession remain: government spending and tax cuts. Democrats tend to think that spending is the way to go and typically aren't wild about most tax cuts. Conversely, Republicans believe that tax cuts are the preferable route and disdain new spending. President-elect Obama is putting together a package that incorporates both, hoping to build bipartisan support and professing his fear that doing too little is more dangerous than doing too much. The fact that neither congressional Democrats nor congressional Republicans are in love with his package suggests that Obama may have found a good balance.

But if Republican lawmakers have to look over their shoulders and worry that backing a balanced stimulus plan would trigger serious primary challenges, they could be intimidated into jeopardizing measures needed to get the country out of the recession, into further isolating their party by making it more extremist, or both.


Thank Mr. Bush. Think of him and DeLay and Cheney. They are the ones who have done this to your party; not the Dems, not the media. Your own leaders have isolated and marginalized the Republican party from mainstream America. You ought to be figuring out how to solve this problem, and becoming 'more Conservative' isn't going to do it. Instead, the opposite will happen: more and more Dems will be elected.

Cycloptichorn
mysteryman
 
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Reply Thu 22 Jan, 2009 07:21 pm
@Cycloptichorn,
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Thanks for the advice, useless as it is. We're too busy fixing the problems the Republicans have created to get around to our own.


Then you admit that the dems do have problems, but just cant be bothered to fix them.

Thats a stunning admission, coming from you.
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Woiyo9
 
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Reply Fri 23 Jan, 2009 07:40 am
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Thanks for the advice, useless as it is. We're too busy fixing the problems the Republicans have created to get around to our own.


Touting your own horn again? Again, who is the "we", certainly YOU are not doing anything.

Just remember, the US Congress, filled with Dummycrats and Repuglicans are jointly responsible for creating the mess we are in today.

Simpletins like you want to pin the mess on one person/party. That just goes to show how ignorant you really are.
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