dlowan
 
Reply Sat 17 Jan, 2009 11:29 pm
Next time you refer to pigeons as aerial rats, just think they likely helped save your bacon (or your parent's/grand-parent's bacon) in World War II.

I just saw an intriguing program about use of pigeons in WW II.....

They were used to send intelligence messages from occupied Europe, at the Front after D Day to let command know whether a particular site had been taken or not, to call for reinforcements etc. Before counter-measures were taken by the Germans, the little blighters had a successful delivery rate of 98%!

The Germans realised this was happening, and used falcons to kill the little feathered messengers. One pigeon, Elizabeth of Exeter, was attacked and wounded by falcons on numerous occasions, sewn up, and resumed her missions. She died of old age in 1950.

The Brits killed a lot of their coastal falcons to cut down pigeon losses...then realised that German spies planted in Britain were also using pigeons, so they formed a falconry unit. Some of these falcons were trained to bring back the German pigeons, some of which were then used to spread disinformation!!

They also flew them over to spies on the continent...they were parachuted down in little boxes.

Some were deliberately chosen because of their poor flight ability...these were fitted with German pigeon tackle, and let loose with disinformation. They would join local flocks instead of flying home to England. Many ended up with German messenger flocks. If the Brits were really lucky, these birds would end up being dropped to German spies in England, and would then fly to their home lofts with German intelligence info attached!

Not only did we have the great air Battle of Britain for humans, we had a feathered Battle of Britain in the skies. Many pigeons lost their lives.


Many won the Dickin Medal...the animal equivalent of the Victoria Cross.

It was a tough world for these little feathered conscripts.

Trapped in a war they never made.

Sad

Mind you, they are good at war with each other.


Here's to the pigeon!!!


Our hero:

http://www.azwns.com/images/pigeon_feathered.jpg


http://www.soweirdproductions.com/wp-images/blog-images/050531_pigeons.jpg








Here is some pigeon soldier info:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hampshire/4600865.stm


http://militaryhistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/carrier_pigeons_in_the_word_wars


This site isn't working for me now...but looks interesting if it recovers:

http://www.monmouth.army.mil/museum/pigeons.shtml

Australian heroic pigeons:

http://www.anzacday.org.au/history/ww2/anecdotes/pigeons.html

The pouches used to house our heroes if they went into battle with their humans:

http://interbug.com/pigeon/messaging/photos/wwii_pigeon_pouch.jpg

http://interbug.com/pigeon/messaging/photos/wwii_pigeon_pouch2.jpg


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_pigeon

http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/HistoryAndHonour/WwiiCarrierPigeonsBraveDeedsRemembered.htm
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 12:50 am
Quote:
The British document notes: "It is said that Himmler, who has been a pigeon fancier and enthusiast all his life, is the head or president of the German National Pigeon Society.


Why doesn't this fact suprise me in the least?
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Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 12:52 am
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In the Second War to End All Wars, homing pigeons were once again drafted into service, this time by a shadowy arm of British intelligence known as Source Columba. Beginning in 1940, the organization airdropped hundreds of crates into occupied France and Holland under the cover of nightfall. Within each crate locals would find a spy kit consisting of 1) a small slip of lightweight paper, 2) a special pencil, 3) detailed instructions, and 4) a single homing pigeon. The instructions encouraged citizen-spies to anonymously jot down any useful tidbits regarding German activities, then stuff the report into the message capsule tied to the pigeon's leg. Aerial reconnaissance pigeonMany of the pigeons returned to Britain carrying intelligence which proved immensely valuable in the war effort. In one instance, an enthusiastic informer squeezed thousands of words and fourteen hand-drawn maps onto the tiny message sheet, presumably with the aid of an industrial-strength magnifying glass.

Britain's Confidential Pigeon Service became such a rich vein of information that it was kept a closely guarded secret for years, but the Axis powers eventually became savvy to the scheme. As part of a clever countermeasure campaign, Nazis dropped their own doppelganger pigeon-crates over France, each designed to appear British. Along with the pigeon these contained a pack of English cigarettes and a request for the names of local resistance leaders, to ensure that the patriots could be "rewarded" for their heroism. Word of the stoolpigeons quickly spread, however, and French forces were advised to "smoke the cigarettes and eat the pigeons."


Now we have the atom-bomb. I, for one, miss these innocent days of feathered messengers for freedom.
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 01:27 am
@Mr Stillwater,
What about the stool pigeons?
Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 01:54 am
You know - if they were to build a giant statue to the heroic pigeons of WW2, there would have to be a urinal located just above it with the outflow pointed..... you get the idea.
Mr Stillwater
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:06 am
@dlowan,
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Re: Mr Stillwater (Post 3538737)
What about the stool pigeons?


As it was wartime, I suspect a simple roast pigeon in a red wine sauce. For fancier occasions (ie visiting SS officers) I'd guess 'Poule a' Pot' style with Creamy Foie de Gras or perhaps roast with Truffle Breading. The wine? I would suggest the Lafite '29, however it would not amiss be offer a Reisling instead of the traditional dessert wine. I can only think that with the inclusion of some Dutch Edam on a platter you would have pleased your Nazi conquerers no end. That, and by planting all those shady avenues in Paris; who the hell likes to march in the Sun?
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Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:24 am
Deb wrote:

Our hero:

http://www.azwns.com/images/pigeon_feathered.jpg


This is a city pigeon.


Homing pigeons around here look more like this:

http://www.pigeon-antilles.com/photo/537297-656293.jpg
Sglass
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:37 am
now that would be a great theme for a movie
Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:48 am
@dlowan,
As an perhaps interesting aside: in 1994 the Swiss army "discharged" their 30,000 military pigeons (7,000 being "regulars", 20,000 "militia") ...
Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:50 am
@Sglass,
We have some movies about them around here.

They are perfect for modern technologies:

http://www.ifrap.org/local/cache-vignettes/L319xH331/pigeons-de-guerre-ca94d.gif

Hey, sargent! You got an e-mail!
Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:55 am
War pigeons
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Sglass
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 02:56 am
you go birdy
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:04 am
@Mr Stillwater,
Mr Stillwater wrote:

You know - if they were to build a giant statue to the heroic pigeons of WW2, there would have to be a urinal located just above it with the outflow pointed..... you get the idea.



Nah...we'd just build a ladder for the Generals.

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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:05 am
@Francis,
You're being pedantic about PIGEONS?
dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:06 am
@Francis,
Some of you are not treating our heroes with sufficient reverence,
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dlowan
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:08 am
@Walter Hinteler,
MILITIA?


Apparently the Germans kept their pigeon corps up between the wars...the Brits (and Australians, I would surmise)..had to scramble.
Francis
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 03:15 am
@dlowan,
I'm sufficiently acquainted with them to talk with familiarity.

Other than I praise them, pedantry is not really my thing..
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 04:19 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:

MILITIA?


Just 7,000 were regularly "employed" by the Swiss army - the others were "militia", owned privately.
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Walter Hinteler
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 04:20 am
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
Apparently the Germans kept their pigeon corps up between the wars...the Brits (and Australians, I would surmise)..had to scramble.


Not really - there were no pigeon companies during the times of the "100,000 men army".
hamburger
 
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Reply Sun 18 Jan, 2009 10:50 am
@Walter Hinteler,
from the collection of "deutsches museum - munich " - 1910

a german "brief-taube" (letter-carrying-pigeon ) here shown carrying a miniature camera for taking pictures during flight .

http://www.deutsches-museum.de/fileadmin/Content/Presse/2007/Bilder07/Brieftaube600.jpg
 

 
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