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# Baccarat combinatorial analysis

Tue 2 Sep, 2008 06:56 pm
How to use combinatorial analysis to calculate Baccarat probabilities?
Baccarat is a casino game using 8 decks of standard poker cards.
When a round is finished, some cards are dealt and seen, cards combinations in shoe(remaining cards) changed, how to calculate the chances of Player wins, Banker wins, and Tie, using combinatorial analysis.
I would put the formula into my program.
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Brandon9000

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Tue 2 Sep, 2008 07:41 pm
@kowloonfan,
To state the obvious, you figure out the number of outcomes that result in a win, the number that result in a tie, and the number that result in a win by the house for any given situation. The probability of any outcome is the number of favorable outcomes divided by the number of possible outcomes, at least if all outcomes are equally likely. I'm guessing you know all this. It sounds like a difficult project.
Robert Gentel

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Tue 2 Sep, 2008 10:06 pm
@kowloonfan,
I don't know Baccarat but if I were programming a card game program I'd randomize the card distribution and just play it out like in real life. It's simple and more accurate than the shortcuts.
kowloonfan

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Tue 2 Sep, 2008 10:18 pm
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kowloonfan

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Tue 2 Sep, 2008 10:24 pm
@Robert Gentel,
I guess you are talking about "full decks" or "new decks" expectation, I have those firgures, but I need the expectation after some rounds are dealt.
Robert Gentel

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Tue 2 Sep, 2008 10:29 pm
@kowloonfan,
Why don't you just take out the known cards and calculate the probability off the rest of the unknown cards that can still be dealt just like you did with the new deck.
kowloonfan

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Wed 3 Sep, 2008 12:08 am
@Robert Gentel,
Two reasons:
1. I want to know the advantage(and disadvantage) distributions and frequencies in different levels of deep in the shoe. There are millions of combinations in each remaining cards level. I can only do ten to twenty combinations of them.
2. I need a odds calculator to input the seen cards and output the odds at once. It is just the same as a poker odds calculator.
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bossiiiii

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Mon 4 Jan, 2010 04:40 pm
Hi guys,

I am trying to create the Baccarat game on the web for the sake of practising.
So I have done my shuffling to create a new shoe. The way is exactly the same way as what was done in Vegas Casinos with 8 deck of cards, burn the first few cards based on the first card and skip the last 14 cards. When it hits the red card at the end when dealing a hand, the next hand is the last hand. So everything is exactly like what's in Vegas Casinos.

Then my next step is to figure out the odds of P, B or tie in each hand.

So my first step was to figure out all the combinations of making P, B and tie. And I did it. I discovered there are 44515 possible ways of making P, B or tie. If you want to verify for me of what I missed, please feel free to download my excel file:

So my next step is to calculate the odd for each of them based on the cards that are left. I sort of have my idea of how to do it but I need help. So if anyone is interested, please PM me and I will work with you via email.

Thanks in advanced and I hope there are people who are interested in doing this too.

High Seas

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Mon 4 Jan, 2010 05:25 pm
@bossiiiii,
bossiiiii wrote:

Hi guys,

I am trying to create the Baccarat game on the web for the sake of practising.
So I have done my shuffling to create a new shoe. The way is exactly the same way as what was done in Vegas Casinos with 8 deck of cards, burn the first few cards based on the first card and skip the last 14 cards. When it hits the red card at the end when dealing a hand, the next hand is the last hand. So everything is exactly like what's in Vegas Casinos. ....

BossIIIII - the Vegas Casinos will send a limo to pick you up at the airport the moment you decide on your "system". Look up the MIT students who won millions in blackjack until the casinos booted them out and started checking ALL names of hotel guests against the list of MIT and Caltech graduates. Baccarat is easier than blackjack, FYI, no matter HOW the decks are shuffled. See you in Shanghai and happy Chinese New Year on February 14th, Valentine's day here, and at long last, the year ot the TIGER
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JonathanJo

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Sun 11 Sep, 2011 09:42 am
@bossiiiii,
hey, i'm interested to see your excel file. where can i get it?
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Subur

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Sat 23 Jan, 2016 09:17 am
@bossiiiii,
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