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It's not evil

 
 
Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 08:34 pm
MOMBASA, Kenya (Reuters) - Bethan, 56, lives in southern England on the same street as best friend Allie, 64.

They are on their first holiday to Kenya, a country they say is "just full of big young boys who like us older girls."

Hard figures are difficult to come by, but local people on the coast estimate that as many as one in five single women visiting from rich countries are in search of sex.

Allie and Bethan -- who both declined to give their full names -- said they planned to spend a whole month touring Kenya's palm-fringed beaches. They would do well to avoid the country's tourism officials.

"It's not evil," said Jake Grieves-Cook, chairman of the Kenya Tourist Board, when asked about the practice of older rich women traveling for sex with young Kenyan men.

"But it's certainly something we frown upon."

Also, the health risks are stark in a country with an AIDS prevalence of 6.9 percent. Although condom use can only be guessed at, Julia Davidson, an academic at Nottingham University who writes on sex tourism, said that in the course of her research she had met women who shunned condoms -- finding them too "businesslike" for their exotic fantasies.

The white beaches of the Indian Ocean coast stretched before the friends as they both walked arm-in-arm with young African men, Allie resting her white haired-head on the shoulder of her companion, a six-foot-four 23-year-old from the Maasai tribe.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 08:36 pm
Shocked Shocked Shocked
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 08:53 pm
Heh, anyone ever read Theroux (Paul, that is, not Peter or Alexander) on his time in Uganda?
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:11 pm
Many men travel for sex and have for decades. Emancipation, I guess, touches all aspects of life and society. Not that that's a good thing, but why should it make headlines?
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:13 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
Many men travel for sex and have for decades. Emancipation, I guess, touches all aspects of life and society. Not that that's a good thing, but why should it make headlines?
I suppose the risk of AIDS. Other than that who gives a damn.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:16 pm
These same beaches have long been notorious for attracting another type of sex tourists -- those who abuse children.

As many as 15,000 girls in four coastal districts -- about a third of all 12-18 year-olds girls there -- are involved in casual sex for cash, a joint study by Kenya's government and U.N. children's charity UNICEF reported late last year.

Up to 3,000 more girls and boys are in full-time sex work, it said, some paid for the "most horrific and abnormal acts."

"PREYING ON POVERTY?"
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:18 pm
poverty, of course.

I've been to Cambodia. Makes you never want to see a single white man again in your entirelife
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Wilso
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:19 pm
It's not new either. It's been going on for years.
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dyslexia
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:20 pm
"This is what is sold to tourists by tourism companies -- a kind of return to a colonial past, where white women are served, serviced, and pampered by black minions," said Nottinghan University's Davidson.

"LIVE LIKE THE RICH"

Many of the visitors are on the lookout for men like Joseph.

Flashing a dazzling smile and built like an Olympic basketball star, the 22-year-old said he has slept with more than 100 white women, most of them 30 years his senior.

"When I go into the clubs, those are the only women I look for now," he told Reuters. "I get to live like the rich mzungus (white people) who come here from rich countries, staying in the best hotels and just having my fun."

"It's a social arrangement. I buy him a nice shirt and we go out for dinner. For as long as he stays with me he doesn't pay for anything, and I get what I want -- a good time. How is that different from a man buying a young girl dinner?"
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Green Witch
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:25 pm
The AIDS/condoms was the thing that struck me the most. I never really thought about the possibility of older women on the prowl for sex in Africa, but I can't find anything evil about it either. Reading that a condom might spoil the mood surprised and saddened me, they are old enough to know better. Of course, it's also possible a woman could get AIDS by having unprotected sex with some guy she meets at the neighborhood Starbucks.
Go ladies, go - but please bring some rubbers for when it rains.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:30 pm
It's scary how universal it is that common sense and sex are polar opposites...

This is the spookiest, most troubling thread I've seen in a bit...

Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked
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littlek
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:32 pm
I'm not sure how much common sense has to do with sex at all.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 09:42 pm
Oh ****, here I am spouting "wisdom" late at night. Shocked

Think what a better place this would be, if we all thought before we fuc**d... Cool

(of course you get laid less, but...)

RH
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:10 pm
hmm, perhaps it's not 'evil', but it sure don't seem right either. it's just...gross. i can't imagine feeling good (forget beautiful) if all i'd be is a walking wad of money. yuck.

luckily i'm young and poor, heh.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:13 pm
Well, it's good they aren't ******* children.


I doubt the hoteliers would turn a hair at white haired western men and young African women....



But it's just as yucky as old white men and young black women....which is something to do with the economics, I think, and the alleged colonial stuff. I don't have a problem with age disparity as such, when it is consenting adults.
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Rockhead
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:24 pm
Sorry, the whole sex for hire cuz they're poor, and F**k disease, just makes my hope for future generations quiver just a bit...

Rich people should care more, even if it's about themselves... Confused
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:35 pm
Rockhead wrote:
Sorry, the whole sex for hire cuz they're poor, and F**k disease, just makes my hope for future generations quiver just a bit...

Rich people should care more, even if it's about themselves... Confused



Sure....but hopefully, at least, they aren't giving diseases to the guys they ****?


I dunno......I get pulled two ways by this.
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dagmaraka
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:38 pm
i don't think these women are even rich. they go to places like kenya so that they CAN feel rich and pretty... it's a farce, a power play. yuck is right.
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Chumly
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:47 pm
Rockhead wrote:
It's scary how universal it is that common sense and sex are polar opposites...
I wonder where that leaves you on the institution of marriage.......
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dlowan
 
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Reply Thu 29 Nov, 2007 11:49 pm
dagmaraka wrote:
i don't think these women are even rich. they go to places like kenya so that they CAN feel rich and pretty... it's a farce, a power play. yuck is right.


I do feel Yuck.


But....



Would we be as yuck about old guys?
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