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Sun 28 Oct, 2007 11:38 pm
in my opinion (and i wrote it,) this is an extension of the "love and vibes for diane" thread. i intend to add to that intention, not take away from it.
before that becomes a point that's hotly debated, let me start out this way. do you honestly believe that sending someone good vibes and love for diane is helpful to her? i don't.
i am however, extremely open to the possibility, and trying does no harm at all. so i think it's a very good thing to attempt. it also puts the wisher in a benevolent frame of mind. i think there must be some practicality to it.
if you do believe that (or think it has merit for some other reason,) what about wishing diane ill? isn't this just as poor an idea as wishing her well is a good idea? and how many people are helped when you wish diane good things? just diane? diane and you? diane and you and everyone you meet that day? again, frame of mind counts for a lot in the world. it's the difference between counting to 10 when someone cuts you off on the road and ramming them with your car out of rage.
i'm not suggesting we start being happy all the time, we're still human. but being human doesn't stop us from wishing diane well. why should it stop us from letting go of some of our hate?
i would suggest that we add to our good wishes for diane the release of one person (anyone you can think of) that you hate for no good reason. leave debating whether there are any practical uses for hate to another thread.
here's an example: what about celebrities like britney spears? could wishing ill to her affect the world diane lives in? what about wishing her well instead?
the goal here is to let the mind work in a way that benefits humanity more. britney spears isn't part of our community, but would we welcome her if she was?
here's a bit about her: she became relatively famous several years ago when her first album came out. she has had trouble since childhood being pressured and (likely) emotionally abused by her mother. she's never had a serious relationship that wasn't in the public eye. sometimes she cashed in on this. was it all her crafty scheming, or did others gain more from it than she lost?
the pressure of her career, the pressure of becoming a mother (as we usually do in a patriarchal society, we blame the mother primarily, and sometimes the father) the pressure of her career waning have made her at least a bit unstable, at least temporarily. she's developed a drug problem and lost her kid.
it would be nice to think there is someone anywhere to wish her the best. she has a fanbase, but let's face it, lots of them are as willing to watch her fall as rise. they might be children mostly, unable to understand her situation.
there are probably more people happy to see her suffer. somehow, she deserves all the pain in her life. it's a spectacle, and whether positive or negative our society never misses a spectacle. the cost of fame is that countless people enjoy your suffering.
i guess if you don't care, you don't care. but *if* you derive any joy from her situation, even amusement, i have to think this is like wishing her some ill. is it also worth hoping things work out for her?
if it proves anything in my opinion, it's that money and fame are worthless without a little humanity to go with them. taking pleasure in the misfortune of others is a bad habit, it's not easy to let go of, i'm merely suggesting that when you wish someone well, you cut down on hating someone else, too. whether the idea is truly worthwhile or not i'll leave up to the individual. all the best to you both, diane, and britney.
tinygiraffe--
I don't think cold logic has a great deal to do with A2K folkways.
Diane has been reading her thread and finding community support there. Will Britany be reading yours?
Yesterday I read that an obscure preacher in an obscure church prayed for Ms. Spears and urged the members of his congregation to send her good wishes. I expect he wanted to start with a celebrity and then focus in on some of his own impossible, straying sheep.
Ms. Spears may benefit--or not.
In any case the world will turn and the sun will rise. Vanity, vanity, all is vanity.
Allowing for time differences between the east coast and NM, Diane should be starting to feel very drowsy and the surgeons are scrubbing for the operation.
Oooooommmm for Diane and for Dys as well.
Re: love and vibes for britney?
tinygiraffe wrote:Do you honestly believe that sending someone good vibes and love for diane is helpful to her? i don't.
I can tell you something about the power of the A2K vibe. I experienced it when I attended the funeral service for a member of A2K.
I posted about the feeling here
The Wake
It was a truly physical sensation.
I'd never really believed in "the vibe" before that day.
I'll never doubt it again.
ehBeth- I had not seen that post when you originally wrote it. I just read it, and it moved me to tears.
so you're also equating human compassion with fanboy wailing? caring for people is funny in your opinion?
Re: love and vibes for britney?
ehBeth wrote:It was a truly physical sensation.
I'd never really believed in "the vibe" before that day.
I'll never doubt it again.
thanks ehbeth. i said i don't "believe" in this sort of thing, and i don't in a concrete way. i also said i'm open to the idea, and people that do believe in it have my respect.
people say that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. i can understand that. but then again, earth is close enough to hell, and they don't need good intentions in "heaven" like they need them here.
i tihnk they should say: "the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but that's exactly where they're needed." heaven/hell is a dichotomy, too. i don't believe in them as physical places, but i think there's plenty of evidence for them as states of being.
i also respect people that believe that the mechanism behind good intentions isn't metaphysical. atheists that think we'd be better off just tending to the physical well being of people have their heart in the right place, and that's all that matters to me from a metaphysical standpoint.