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How do we prove humans are more real than cabbage or fish?

 
 
Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 01:43 pm
For my Philosophy class we are trying to prove that humans are more real than cabbage or fish?

[Think Plato's 4 stages of congnition: the line - if that doesn't help disregard it.]

If you believe a vegetable or animals is just as real as a human please explain why you believe that?

I've been stuck on this all day & I thought that maybe using René Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" to prove it by stating that we are more real because humans can think while vegetable & animals do not. (It's okay if you believe that animals can think, but according to my teacher they can't so I'm trying to go along his guidelines.) But apparently René Descartes' thinking in that sense if flawed.

Give me your opinion.
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 02:15 pm
I would prove that cabbage and fish are imaginary but it may take me a while to figure out how to do that.

I really don't think anything can be "more" real than any other thing that is real.
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 02:24 pm
Cabbage and fish aren't real??

Wow.

You learn something new every day.
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 03:55 pm
I like cabbage a lot more than I like some of my relatives.
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 03:56 pm
That would be funnier if I were to explain that I'm a human first....
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Reply Fri 9 Mar, 2007 08:51 pm
Humans, cabbage and fish are all part of the same reality. None are more real than the others unless you are using the term "real" in a very strange way.

However, there is always the consideration of perception. What we percieve is not what actually is; it is merely a rerendering of it. Human, cabbage and fish are all concepts that reside in our mental realm of cognition, and not attributes of the "real world". The distinctions between the three are things that we have made up, and to a creature with a different perception than that of humans the distinction may not make any sense at all. (See Kant, and his forms of perception, for example).

So cabbage and fish are merely concepts that we apply to the actual things, but so is "human". They are all abstractions we create in our minds, same as "up" and "down". The world itself knows no such distinctions.
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Reply Sat 10 Mar, 2007 12:02 am
Cabbage and fish? Why not cucumbers and cats? What kind of question is this???
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Reply Sat 10 Mar, 2007 08:18 am
That's what I thought too. Another, more interesting question might be; can you prove that our fantasies or imaginations are less real than cabbage or fish?

Thing is, I don't think anyone can.
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 07:19 pm
As an absolutist, I think that everything that is real is real and everything that is not, is not.

Unfortunately, I don't think I have any way of knowing for certain which is which, including "I"
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 10:02 pm
Are imaginary numbers real?
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 10:08 pm
DrewDad wrote:
Are imaginary numbers real?


Yes.
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 10:38 pm
Are they as real as real numbers?
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 10:47 pm
Sure. "Imaginary" probably wasn't the best name for them.
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 10:56 pm
I recall a college professor's delight upon seeing that several hundred students had signed up to see his lecture on "The Mystery of Kant" until he noticed that the student assigned to place the announcement on the board had misspelled the last word of the title.

Regarding the reality of the cabbage: Cabbage is not only real but are, in actuality, an alien race cleverly hidden among us and ready to make their move at any time.

When the earth trembles and the cabbage rise.... the day of reckoning is upon us.
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2007 11:08 pm
For some reason this topic reminds me of my childs imaginary friend, who happened to be an imaginary horse called honk-your-horn.

How can we prove that this imaginary friend is less real than any other thing or item in her life?
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:21 am
Honk-your-horn is a lovely animal.
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:28 am
Lets all have cabbage for dinner, then get together in a closed room to discuss its existence.

Difficulty: no beano.
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 10:29 am
humans smell up the house when you cook them..... just like cabbage.

dead humans stink up the house after three days....just like fosh....
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 12:22 pm
Re: How do we prove humans are more real than cabbage or fis
tcsweetgurl wrote:
For my Philosophy class we are trying to prove that humans are more real than cabbage or fish?

I don't understand. What does it mean for something to be "more real" than something else?

tcsweetgurl wrote:
[Think Plato's 4 stages of congnition: the line - if that doesn't help disregard it.]

Consider it disregarded.

tcsweetgurl wrote:
If you believe a vegetable or animals is just as real as a human please explain why you believe that?

Because they are all objects of sense perception and their reality is subject to the same measures of validation and confirmation.

tcsweetgurl wrote:
I've been stuck on this all day & I thought that maybe using René Descartes' "I think, therefore I am" to prove it by stating that we are more real because humans can think while vegetable & animals do not. (It's okay if you believe that animals can think, but according to my teacher they can't so I'm trying to go along his guidelines.) But apparently René Descartes' thinking in that sense if flawed.

Give me your opinion.

That's not Cartesianism, that sounds more like Berkeleyan idealism.
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2007 12:32 pm
tcsweetgurl wrote:
If you believe a vegetable or animals is just as real as a human please explain why you believe that?


Live off of cabbage and fish. If they're not real you'll starve to death. If they are real you'll still be alive and healthy.

As for "more real" please explain the different levels of reality. I'm not familiar with that.
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