THE BRITISH THREAD II

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Children in MacBeth!!!???

Zounds!!

I've been very upset recently by remarks made about Christiano Ronaldo and Manchester United. Millions of fans follow Utd, mostly in China. Its disgraceful that the finer feelings and sensibilities of so many can be wantonly abused by disrespectful comments about MUFC. I therefore propose the law regarding hate speech about race or religion should be extended to cover football, specifically MUFC. As with religious hate speech, it would not matter if the abuse was unintentional or if it was factually correct, but if in the opinion of a MUFC fan offensive words have been used, that should be punishable by a term of imprisonment up to seven years.

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@Steve 41oo,

Steve 41oo wrote:

... that should be punishable by a term of imprisonment up to seven years.

Preferably this time should be done in the catacombs of Anfield.

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@Walter Hinteler,

Steady on Walter old bean, that could fall foul of European Human Rights legislation.

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@Steve 41oo,

Okay, change the location to Goodison Park then.

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@Steve 41oo,

Well, judging by that criterion, first you're going to have to lock up all English football fans, and the Rangers and Celtic supporters too.

Come to think of it, this is a capital suggestion.

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@McTag,

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Well, judging by that criterion, first you're going to have to lock up all English football fans..

Only if they insult The Religion, or the Prophet Matt Busby. Or say anything I dont like.

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@Steve 41oo,

Who said what about our Christiano any road, chuck?

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@McTag,

Well someone said he was a diving cheating greasy Portuguese disgrace to football. All of which is true but I feigned mock outrage. For which, in the pub, I nearly dined on knuckle sandwich. But I thought afterwards that if one insulted the Prophet with similar words, well you could be arrested.

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@Steve 41oo,

You could be arrested, if you were lucky. Otherwise, you could have your throat cut.

But, many a true word spoken in jest, eh? You can't insult anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion nowadays (except if they're C of E) by law.
But to some, the most important factor which divides us is allegiance to club. Instead of black vs. white, it's red vs blue or whatever.

So for total social harmony, obviously we need a new law: say we call it Diversity Tolerance Act (Football) 2010. Aggressive chants, insulting songs, lewd gestures, major rucks and mounted police charges at fans will be all in the past, hurrah!

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@McTag,

What? And ruin football.

There's some Polanski MacBeth scenes on U tube. The witches are there. See if the kids did it like that.

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@McTag,

McTag wrote:

You can't insult anyone on the basis of race, ethnicity or religion nowadays (except if they're C of E) by law.
But to some, the most important factor which divides us is allegiance to club. Instead of black vs. white, it's red vs blue or whatever.

I think you see my point. Its an in-group/out-group thing. "In" being protestant rather than catholic or red manc rather than blue. If we are going to say its very naughty to get into this "them and us" thing, then I really dont see why football allegiance should not be treated on the same basis as religion. I think whatever you choose to follow is fair game for criticism, attack, or damn right slander. Its up to you to fight back on an intellectual level. But criticism of someone for what he is i.e. his genetic make up is absolutely unacceptable. There is no such thing as a Muslim Christian or Hindu child, just as there is no such thing as a Labour or Communist child. Ok thats me done, Utd 1:1 I believe.

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@Steve 41oo,

Steve 41oo wrote:

I think you see my point. Its an in-group/out-group thing. "In" being protestant rather than catholic or red manc rather than blue. If we are going to say its very naughty to get into this "them and us" thing, then I really dont see why football allegiance should not be treated on the same basis as religion. I think whatever you choose to follow is fair game for criticism, attack, or damn right slander. Its up to you to fight back on an intellectual level. But criticism of someone for what he is i.e. his genetic make up is absolutely unacceptable. There is no such thing as a Muslim Christian or Hindu child, just as there is no such thing as a Labour or Communist child. Ok thats me done, Utd 1:1 I believe.

I agree with you as long as the reference in question is to an individual person. However, if one is referring to groups of people and supposed central tendencies in the group, then one label is, by your own logic, as good (or bad) as another. I suspect the issue in the case at hand is that the speaker inferred that a particular individual truly posessed the supposed central characteristics of the group to which he referred. If so, the matter comes down to whether or not that assertion is true, or whether one agrees with it.

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@georgeob1,

When Sir Bobby Charlton got the Freedom of the City this week in Manchester, the Lord Mayor [shouldn't it by Dame Mayor?] was wearing a wig.

The reason - according to the MEN - was her City-blue dyed hair ...

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@Walter Hinteler,

sir bobby was not wearing a wig

Smile

Interesting response George, reply later.

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http://www.xtranormal.com/watch?e=20090304181429429

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Someone I work with sent that to me!

It's all true...

The bogs ARE blocked and a vending machine did fall on a man!

Cans of drink are still being knicked from't fridge (thieving bastards).

A day in the life eh?

(the blow-job bit isn't true).

x

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