real life wrote:Joe Nation wrote:
Funny how men always seem to get the better deal in Bible, isn't it?
Golly, I wonder what the Bible would have been like if all the scribes had been women?
Do you think we would still have the total subjugation of the female sex?
Joe(And the Male shall submit to the better Spirit of His Mistress... .)Nation
In general, the 'Christian nations' of Europe and America have produced more freedom, prosperity and equality for women than any others on Earth.
Do you agree?
Real Life:
If the nations of Europe and America have produced more freedom, prosperity and equality for women, and I think they have, it has been in
spite of the efforts, most strongly pursued by the Roman Catholic Church and the Presbyterians, to prevent women from voting, owning property, holding public office or, shades of present day Saudi Arabia, driving a car.
If, as someone has said, the two great sources of progress are intellect and wealth, the Christians, male and female, but mostly male, have stood in the way of women's education going back to medieval times.
(Except for those who were allowed to learn enough to become teachers of the young.)
The Church of England vigorously opposed women becoming students at the University level and denied women to opportunity to become ministers until the 1920's. The same was true in Spain except there the opposition was the Roman Church and the Roman Catholics of Mexico kept women in separate schools until the present day.
And it wasn't the churches who led the way for women to earn more for their labor and thus help build stronger economies, it was the economists and the feminists, most notably, Charlotte Gilman of the late nineteenth century whose writings led many in those "Christian" nations to rethink their ideas about child-rearing and women's labor.
And, these things are occurring to me in a flood now, at the very same time as the Churchs were fighting to advance the civil rights of blacks in the United States, those same churchs were fighting tooth and nail to prevent any form of birth control method from being legalized in the US.
The Christians, with their Biblical view of women intact, have opposed the Equal Rights Amendment (which should be a no-brainer for any democracy to have), the placement of women in combat positions of the military (also a no-brainer in this modern world) and, of course, a woman's right to choose whether or not to be pregnant.(Does she possess her own body or not?)
I would wager that without the Christian's opposition to women's progress, we as a civilization would be about a hundred and fifty years more advanced than we are.
Joe(There would be three Generals on Mars named Louise.)Nation
