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IT'S TIME FOR UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE

 
 
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 12:22 pm
hawkeye10 wrote:

any reason we should not expect the program to be ended or gutted as soon as the republicans regain the majority? They likely will, possibly soon.


This ain't going to happen, just like the Reps couldn't even begin to dump Medicare after it passed without any Rep support to speak of. The public would not allow this new health reform to be dumped.
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 12:24 pm
They're already looking at ways to kill their party. LOL
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Reply Sun 8 Nov, 2009 04:14 pm
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Big question mark: Fate of health care in Senate (AP)

Nov. 8, 2009, in Washington. (AP Photo/Manuel Balce Ceneta)AP - The glow from a health care triumph faded quickly for President Barack Obama on Sunday as Democrats realized the bill they fought so hard to pass in the House has nowhere to go in the Senate.
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 04:19 pm
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CBO: Senate Bill Costs $849 Billion, Major Deficit Reducer
Brian Beutler | November 18, 2009, 4:52PM

Democratic leadership has distributed figures to reporters from a CBO analysis of Senate health care legislation. The numbers affirm what we reported this morning--that Majority Leader Harry Reid is very pleased.

The health care bill--which includes an opt-out public option--will require $849 billion over 10 years in new spending, to be paid for with cuts to Medicare, while reducing the deficit by $127 billion.

In that time it will extend coverage to 31 million Americans--94 percent of citizens will be covered by 2019.

Over the second 10 years, CBO projects even greater cost savings--up to $650 billion, with the caveat that after 10 years, their analyses become highly uncertain.

This meets all of President Obama's goals, and, as has been the pattern during this legislative process, the Senate bill comes at a lower cost, and with greater cost-savings than the House bill, while the House bill covers more Americans.


http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/11/cbo-senate-bill-costs-849-billion-major-deficit-reducer.php?ref=fpa

Booyah

Cycloptichorn
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:48 pm
The health care industry can't save that kind of money without revamping all the unnecessary, costly, tests that doctors order. It's also about inventory waste, and paper record-keeping.

We all know the rants; the conservatives don't want government control over our health care no matter how much waste is currently in the system. The liberals want to ensure over 30-million more without increasing the supply; how does one do that? Most hospitals will tell you they're already stretched to the max, and losing money.

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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:52 pm
I have already explained ci. that UHC is a non-starter in the US. It can't be done.
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:53 pm
http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/005647.html

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Real median household income remained unchanged between 2003 and 2004 at $44,389, according to a report released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. Meanwhile, the nation’s official poverty rate rose from 12.5 percent in 2003 to 12.7 percent in 2004. The percentage of the nation’s population without health insurance coverage remained stable, at 15.7 percent in 2004. The number of people with health insurance increased by 2.0 million to 245.3 million between 2003 and 2004, and the number without such coverage rose by 800,000 to 45.8 million.


So, as of 2004, there were 84% with insurance. We can achieve 94%, and it only costs 849 billion. What a bargain. Paid for with cuts to Medicare, of course. Medicare cuts are looking like something between 350 billion and 500 billion, and this is all going to cut the deficit by 127 billion. I'm gonna go get religion. This is a miracle.
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 05:54 pm
You'll need more than religion for those government numbers to work out! LOL
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 06:34 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:

The health care industry can't save that kind of money without revamping all the unnecessary, costly, tests that doctors order. It's also about inventory waste, and paper record-keeping.

We all know the rants; the conservatives don't want government control over our health care no matter how much waste is currently in the system. The liberals want to ensure over 30-million more without increasing the supply; how does one do that? Most hospitals will tell you they're already stretched to the max, and losing money.




Perhaps having nurses available to go to the home would alleviate overcrowding, if any. There is now an excess of beds. There will be more use of PAs and NPs, with doctors merely supervising.
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Reply Wed 18 Nov, 2009 06:40 pm
RNs are now in high demand; where are they coming from?
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 10:28 am
roger wrote:

http://www.census.gov/Press-Release/www/releases/archives/income_wealth/005647.html

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Real median household income remained unchanged between 2003 and 2004 at $44,389, according to a report released today by the U.S. Census Bureau. Meanwhile, the nation’s official poverty rate rose from 12.5 percent in 2003 to 12.7 percent in 2004. The percentage of the nation’s population without health insurance coverage remained stable, at 15.7 percent in 2004. The number of people with health insurance increased by 2.0 million to 245.3 million between 2003 and 2004, and the number without such coverage rose by 800,000 to 45.8 million.


So, as of 2004, there were 84% with insurance. We can achieve 94%, and it only costs 849 billion. What a bargain.


10% of our population is 30 million people. That's a lot of people to help. Takes a lot of money to get it done. Now, I realize that many on the right wing don't give a shit if these people live or die, but it's harming us as a nation, in a wide variety of ways, to have such poor health care coverage.

There's also the issue of under-coverage. The bill doesn't just add new people into the system, it prevents many of the worst excesses of the Health insurance industry, such as recission.

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Paid for with cuts to Medicare, of course. Medicare cuts are looking like something between 350 billion and 500 billion, and this is all going to cut the deficit by 127 billion. I'm gonna go get religion. This is a miracle.


The cuts to Medicare are primarily cuts to Medicare Advantage - a program which uses our tax dollars to subsidize private insurance. No problem cutting that, bro.

But, it's inaccurate to say it's going to be 'paid for' by cuts to Medicare. It will be paid for by a combination of taxes on the rich and premiums paid into those who enroll in the public option.

Cycloptichorn
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