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When is an embryo defined as alive!?

 
 
View Profile littlek
 
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2009 12:16 pm
by definition, all cells are alive.
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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2009 12:47 pm
Brandon, here is an explanation from the bio-medical researchers.
Each stage - from conception to birth, is specifically defined by name
until the baby (human being) arrives via birth.

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The life of the individual begins at conception. An egg is usually fertilized inside the female by the male through sexual intercourse, though in vitro fertilization methods are also used. The developing individual is first called a zygote; as it grows through successive stages inside the female's uterus over a period of 38 weeks, it is called an embryo, then a fetus. At birth, the fully grown fetus, now called a baby, is expelled from the female's body and breathes independently for the first time, at which point the baby is recognized as a person entitled to the full protection of the law, though some jurisdictions extend personhood to human fetuses while they remain in the uterus. Human life ends with the individual's death.


http://www.bio-medicine.org/biology-definition/Human/

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Reply Sun 18 Oct, 2009 12:48 pm
littlek wrote:

by definition, all cells are alive.


Yes that's right, littlek, but they're not considered human beings.
View Profile Cyracuz
 
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Reply Mon 19 Oct, 2009 05:33 pm
To quote Bill Hicks: You're not human until you're in my phonebook.
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View Profile Eorl
 
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Reply Mon 26 Oct, 2009 10:34 pm
rockpie wrote:

.. my conclusion on this matter that as soon as the embryo is conceived it has every right to life as a fully developed and healthy human being.


It's your conclusion based on your view of where the line should be. Not before or after conception, but at the actual moment that the sperm breaks through and fertilises the egg. Or is the point where the zygote successfully attaches to the womb, and a pregnancy results? Because we probably should be having an awful lot more funerals.

The point of my sarcasm is to demonstrate the arbitrary nature of line you have drawn at the point you have chosen, it's not a line that is as clear and obvious as you may think it is.

Life persists, when 2 human beings make a third, it's a continuity. There's no moment of magic deserving of any special magical protection. At 12 weeks, it's distinguishable as a human being. So? It still fits very few of the criteria of a complete human being.
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 11:30 am
We are WAR CRIMINALS! That morality ship has sailed a long time ago.

Just ask one of the 300,000 dead Iraq's who did nothing to us.
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Reply Thu 19 Nov, 2009 12:22 pm
AuntSlappy wrote:

We are WAR CRIMINALS! That morality ship has sailed a long time ago.

Just ask one of the 300,000 dead Iraq's who did nothing to us.

That's a crock. There are three main types of dead in Iraq:

(1) combatants killed by us
(2) non-combatants killed by us despite our best efforts to limit deaths to combatants
(3) people killed by someone other than us.

Of these, we're supposed to be killing group (1), group (2) is despite our best efforts as in every war, and group (3) isn't our fault.
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