Who and where are the real Jews?

Didn't think I talked quite that long.

Just trying to answer the man's question.

real life wrote:

Didn't think I talked quite that long.

Just trying to answer the man's question.

I think he was referring to Mindonfire, although this time round he seems to have gotten the idea that long posts are generally ignored.

So according to the Christians, all christians are Jews and the Jews are the false Jews. Can I presume that to the Jews, the Jews are the Jews and the Christians are the false Jews?

Is it safe to assume that neither side actually knows which of them are the false Jews? .... or do they really think the other side knows and they are all just lying?

I'm just thinking....Pascal is gonna be in a world of pain here....before anyone even mentions Islam.

...and the People's Front of Judea are gonna be really pissed....

You ignore does long posts to your own detriment

Who and where are the real Jews?

What does Jesus mean in these two verse?

Revelation 2:9 I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and [I know] the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but [are] the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

From these verses it looks like during the end times there are two sets of people, one real and one false. These people will deceive people into believing that they are real Jews. This then brings to mind some very serious questions:

1. Are there a group of people in the world who have been parading as Jews, but they are not?
2. If so where are these people?
3. Who have they deceived?
4. Are they part of the great deception which is supposed to come upon the earth?

Mindonfire wrote:

You ignore does long posts to your own detriment

It never helps that you don't make any sense in your posts and the fact that the majority of your posts are unnecessarily long, although I see you've improved greatly since I've last been here.

May I point out that neologist seems to have hit the nail on the head?

If you are referring to Jesus' institution of a New Covenant with his disciples at the Passover of 33 C.E., then spiritual Israel would be those currently adhering to that covenant relationship.

The covenant with natural Israel expired, according to Daniel 9:27, at the end of the "seventy weeks", which corresponds with the Baptism of Cornelius in late 36 C.E..

That God no longer maintained a covenant with natural Israel became obvious when, in 70 C.E., Jerusalem was overrun and their family genealogies were lost.

Edited to add:
False Jews, then, would be those claiming to be in a covenant relationship, but whose practices prove them false.

No, Mindonfire, it's the fact that your stuff is supposed to be propaganda and it's not very...

Damn, I'm being stupid. Why am I giving you pointers?

1. Are there a group of people in the world who have been parading as Jews, but they are not?

. . . So who are those who are claiming to be in a covenant relationship, but whose practices say otherwise? . .

To those who don't like the truth iit' propaganda. So what are you spreading?

Mindonfire wrote:

To those who don't like the truth iit' propaganda. So what are you spreading?

Doubt. I always spread doubt whenever possible, because doubt makes people think about their own beliefs more.