ISRAEL - IRAN - SYRIA - HAMAS - HEZBOLLAH - WWWIII?

Blatham, maybe it is a slow-moving WWIII.

You shouldn't underestimate the militant Islamists. They are becoming more powerful by the minute. Remember that the bomb is not really out of their reach. Further, consider the damage they could do to oil supplies. Etc., Etc.

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Blatham, maybe it is a slow-moving WWIII.

You shouldn't underestimate the militant Islamists. They are becoming more powerful by the minute. Remember that the bomb is not really out of their reach. Further, consider the damage they could do to oil supplies. Etc., Etc.

The question at issue isn't whether they are dangerous, but whether the present situation is analogous to WWs one and two. And it isn't even close.

For example, given some different decisions by Hitler, England might very well have fallen under German control along with the European countries he came to temporarily dominate. What possible set of circumstances do you imagine might lead to any consequence even remotely of that sort?

Militant Islamists of the sort we need to be concerned with (who have the professed desire as described above) number how many individuals? They have how many rifles? Tanks? Destroyers? Aircraft carriers? Bombers? Jet fighters? ICBMs? Dollars?

They have the personnel and resources and organization and manufacturing capabilities and standing armies/navies/air forces of 1935 Germany? Or Japan? Or Russia?

The question at issue isn't whether they are dangerous, but whether the present situation is analogous to WWs one and two. And it isn't even close.

For example, given some different decisions by Hitler, England might very well have fallen under German control along with the European countries he came to temporarily dominate. What possible set of circumstances do you imagine might lead to any consequence even remotely of that sort?

Humorous cartoon? Maybe to some. An accurate portrayal of the forces driving present US policies? Only to someone who needs an easy, simple-minded answer and who doesn't put in the effort to understand the issues.

Nobody had jet fighters or ICBMs when WWI and WWII started and other weapons were primitive by modern standards. Ever see the movie "The Final Countdown" when a modern US carrier wound up off the coast of Pearl Harbor on December 6, 1941? That one carrier had enough fire power to defeat the entire Japanese fleet and all the aircraft bearing down on the US fleet. But despite its much lesser equipped army, Germany nevertheless enjoyed considerable success in the previous world wars.

But do you think anybody was thinking WORLD WAR!!!! when either WWI or WWII started?

Do I think WWIII has started? Not yet. But can I imagine a scenario that could create WWIII out of this conflict.? Yes I can.

How about if the USA and/or Russia had backed Hitler and the Axis instead of the allies? What do you think England's fate might have been then?

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Humorous cartoon? Maybe to some. An accurate portrayal of the forces driving present US policies? Only to someone who needs an easy, simple-minded answer and who doesn't put in the effort to understand the issues.

You obviously don't know about : THE ISRAEL LOBBY AND US FOREIGN POLICY

Must read for those who want to know why the US seems to have abandoned all sense and reason in order to back Israel.

Blatham, you are defining the conflict(s) very narrowly. It is difficult to define was is a world war, and having a definition is not very important.

Nobody had jet fighters or ICBMs when WWI and WWII started and other weapons were primitive by modern standards.

In WWII, the world stood by and let Hitler have Belgium hoping that he would then be appeased.

But do you think anybody was thinking WORLD WAR!!!! when either WWI or WWII started?

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In WWII, the world stood by and let Hitler have Belgium hoping that he would then be appeased.

That was Czechoslavakia.

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But do you think anybody was thinking WORLD WAR!!!! when either WWI or WWII started?

They were before WWI. The whole thing was about colonial power. Each side wanted the others' colonies. For several months before the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, everyone was lining up allies for the war they knew was going to happen.

Do they not even make an effort to avoid hitting civilians?

Beirut Christians terrified as strikes move closer
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"This war seems to be expanding everywhere. Why is the world allowing them to kill all the Lebanese?"

One family living in a building near the targeted site packed suitcases and fled to the relative safety of Mount Lebanon. "We are going away for 24 hours and then will decide what to do," one woman said on condition of anonymity.

"Why are they hitting us? We are neutral. We are not part of this," she said as she left the building with her family.

Acting Interior Minister Ahmed Fatfat warned civilians on Wednesday to stay clear of trucks. Air strikes have destroyed trucks in the Christian coastal town of Byblos and in the Bekaa Valley in east Lebanon.


Thirty-year-old Jivajou Abou-Jawdeh said Israeli pilots may have mistaken well-drilling equipment on trucks in Ashrafiya for rocket launchers, and said he was unshaken by the raids.

"This area in Ashrafiya was a frontline during the civil war. We have survived worse incidents than this," he said with a confident smile.

Israel has the capacity to make Lebanon a smoking crater. That they have not done so would lead me to believe they are making an effort to avoid hitting civilians.

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Nobody had jet fighters or ICBMs when WWI and WWII started and other weapons were primitive by modern standards. Ever see the movie "The Final Countdown" when a modern US carrier wound up off the coast of Pearl Harbor on December 6, 1941? That one carrier had enough fire power to defeat the entire Japanese fleet and all the aircraft bearing down on the US fleet. But despite its much lesser equipped army, Germany nevertheless enjoyed considerable success in the previous world wars.

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The point here is parity of resources. The players of the last two wars had huge military machines and vast manufacturing capacities. Muslim radicals are of such a different category of agent that no comparison can sensibly be made.

If you are suggesting that a larger conflagration could arise from the present situation, yes it could. But that is a much different argument than what Gingrich is making - he says we are in it, and that's just foolish. Worse, it is of the war-mongering inflammatory type of statement.

What I am saying, and what Gingrich is, rightfully in my opinion saying, is that the circumstances could draw in nations with much more significant resources. Israel will be equipped with whatever resources it needs to defend itself. And I am quite sure Russian and others will make sure that Iran, and by default, Syria are equipped to defend themselves if it came down to that. If Israel hits Syria, the apparent primary supplier of Hezbollah, and as a result has to defend against Iran, then what?

The 'improbable" has happened too many times in my lifetime to think that it is impossible.

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But do you think anybody was thinking WORLD WAR!!!! when either WWI or WWII started?

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Do I think WWIII has started? Not yet. But can I imagine a scenario that could create WWIII out of this conflict.? Yes I can.

Well, there you go. But that set of circumstances gets pretty hard to imagine playing out in reality, even over time. And whatever mix of circumstances one realistically imagines coming to pass, a necessary element would have to be enormous miscalculations or mis-steps by the US.

Miscalculations or mis-steps by the USA or almost anybody else. Again, I've seen it happen too many times in my lifetime to discount the possibility.

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How about if the USA and/or Russia had backed Hitler and the Axis instead of the allies? What do you think England's fate might have been then?

I'm sorry. I have no idea how this question relates to anything real.

You posed the question. I just answered it.

Now I see that Limbaugh and O'Reilly are saying the same thing, "We are in WW3". Repugnant.

Israel has the capacity to make Lebanon a smoking crater. That they have not done so would lead me to believe they are making an effort to avoid hitting civilians.

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Israel has the capacity to make Lebanon a smoking crater. That they have not done so would lead me to believe they are making an effort to avoid hitting civilians.

As it looks like, Israel's "capacity" is substandard without the involvement of the American goverment.

It would be better for you if you try to analyze things and create an opinion of your own about the whole situation, free from the brainwashing American-Zionist media.