ehBeth wrote:Is there a good reason that discussion about things like "iron" and mathematics are not in the science forum?
No?
Quel surprise.
You r right.. This matter is here because of logical evidence of Divine Books.. But matter passed over the aim..
I think the discussion is properly posted right where it belongs.
Kevnmoon,
Perhaps you can explain this one for us.
Quote:Mk 6:7 ... And he-summons the twelve ... and he-began to-send-them-out ... Two (by) Two ... and he-was-giving to-them authority ... (over) the unclean spirits.
(gematria value of the words in red = 7,609 units)
The first sentence of verse 7 is a pun and a drawing instruction that reveals prior knowledge that the twelve apostles were Sun (318) circles. A diagram would show Jesus at the center of the graph sending out three groups of apostles ... "two by two," ... each with a circumference of 999 units (diameter = 318 units). The "Twelve" fit exactly in the space between Jesus (888) and the raised Jesus (8880). This is mathematically confirmed by the equation 2(2 x 2)(999) + 888 = 8880.
The last sentence of verse 7 claims that the twelve have authority" over "unclean spirits. The gematria value of those words produce a circle with a circumference equal to 7,609 units which is immobilized by "the authority" of the Twelve Suns.
Verses 8-13 give a strange and enigmatic list of instructions that Jesus gives to the Twelve about a staff, bread, wallet, copper money, a girdle, sandals, and a tunic. Luke, as usual, alters the instructions in his version of the story. After following these instructions, the disciples expel demons and heal the sick which quickly makes a reputation throughout the country for Jesus and the Twelve which sets up the story for the raising of John the Baptist.
Mr. Fresco,
It is wonderfull.. I heard that mathematical orders in BİBLE but read for the first time.. If you find more I also want to read them.. If I find also something about Prophets, I share with you. Thanks..
Setanta wrote:kevnmoon wrote:joefromchicago wrote:kevnmoon: what makes you think that this purported "miracle" is not iron's way of revealing itself as the true author of the koran?
Yada-yada-yada . . . blah, blah, blah . . .
6.Scholar has rules.. When they explain Quran, they ve to suit other scholars or general idea.
It is impossible to write what they want. (emphasis added)
So, you're sayin', they couldn't tell the truth, even if they wanted to?
No... They pay their life for .. their head for truth.. History is witness for that.. Anyway, way of scholar is to explore for God .. and to tell us what Allah and Prophet mean..
Why? When you believe the Koran is the final pure and perfect word of God? It cant be either pure or perfect if you need scholars to work out what Allah or Mohammed were on about.
Then why not regale us with an interesting answer?
would you like to attempt an answer?
and in case its not clear
Why do you need islamic scholars to interpret the meaning of the koran if its the pure and perfect word of God? Shouldn't it be pretty clear as well as pure perfect final etc?
Prophet says ( Scholars are my inheritors )
(Scholars' ink is weighed with martyr's blood)
(Scholars' ink is (for Doomsday) as worthy as 100 drop martyr's blood the time when my Sunna was destructed)
(The man who wants to gain world has to study science, the man who wants to gain other world has to study science , the man who wants to gain both of them has to study science again )
(Learn science from cradle to grave)
Yes, science owner may tell God and Book to each other.. Because Qur'an isn't a simple book and looks all centuries in different ways.. So somebody must tell Qur'an according to need of human in every century... Because one book with cyphers and implications must be told as in new topic.
Surprise ! surprise !
"Martyr's blood" had to figure in this somewhere !
In the Name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate.
Nor anything fresh or dry, but is in a Record Clear.11
According to one interpretation, the Clear Book or Record consists of the Quran. The above verse states that everything, fresh or dry, is found within it, is that so? Yes, everything is found in it, but everyone cannot see this, for all the things it contains are found at different levels. Sometimes the seeds, sometimes the nuclei, sometimes the summaries, sometimes the principles, sometimes the signs, are found either explicitly, or implicitly, or allusively, or vaguely, or as a reminder. One of these is expressed according to need, in a manner suitable to the purposes of the Quran and in connection with the requirements of the position. For instance:
Things like the aeroplane, electricity, railways, and the telegraph have come into existence as wonders of science and technology as the result of mans progress in science and industry. Surely the All-Wise Quran, which addresses all mankind, does not neglect these.
So Qur'an is ocean needs many scholar as a diver.
We talk about GOD'S WORD.. Not daily newspaper. So its interpretation is endless.. Human being only solved some parts of the universe.. also solved human body etc.. Creature is like this think about Creator.
Whats so difficult about understanding the Koran? Didnt Mohammed speak English? Jesus did. And Moses.
fresco wrote:Surprise ! surprise !
"Martyr's blood" had to figure in this somewhere !
That ol' time religion just don't feel like real religion without some killin' now and again . . .
Mr. Setanta,
Anybody want to kill each other.. Firstly, İslam is peace religion.. War is last solution in Islam. Because if you kill someone, you lost him.
Eternal life is so serious concept..
